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    Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    A Total Shift To The Right:"He has presented a plan to open up more land and coastline to oil and gas drilling, grant speedy approval to the Keystone pipeline to transport crude oil from Canada to the United States, end wind and solar power subsidies and curb regulations that discourage burning coal for electricity. It is an agenda far different from the one he outlined in his early days as governor"




    Romney Shifted Right on Energy As Presidential Politics Beckoned.

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    1 day ago – Mitt Romney is more apt today to talk about his support for oil drilling than about the environmental policies that he advocated while governor of ...
    He populated his Massachusetts administration with environmentalists, including one, Gina McCarthy, who now runs the clean air division of the Environmental Protection Agency under President Obama. He railed against the “Filthy Five,” high-polluting power plants in the state. He issued a “climate protection plan” and lauded it as “among the strongest in our nation.” Under his direction, Massachusetts helped create a regional cap-and-trade program — anathema to most Republicans — intended to cut the greenhouse gas emissions that scientists believe cause global warming.

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    So what? Obama used to be half white.

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Quote Originally Posted by Curly View Post
    So what? Obama used to be half white.

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicWin View Post
    EpicWin, Curly, Chiefbuck, You might like career politician flip-floppers , like Mitt Romney, who sell out their deepest convictions to big money-robbers for a chance at real power , but most Americans see it as shameless betrayal and moral disgrace.

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Skippy needs a biscuit.




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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Here are the people who have put a contract out on America .
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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Politicians do 'evolve' from time to time, some move toward a conservative viewpoint, others move to the extreme socialist, progressive liberal agenda. It has been said that while Romney was a governor he actually represented the people of his state. Our president however represents favorably only those who agree with his agenda. He promises much and delivers far less but does use executive privilege rather than the congressional process to accomplish his goal of reelection by catering to the groups who support him. This is the Obama version of bringing us together. He does not flip flop or change his opinions but does 'evolve'. Now that he has brought peace and tranquility to the middle east, stopped the seas from rising, cleaned the air and water he can relax a bit. Perhaps he will find the time to attend Intel briefs and create a few shovel ready jobs too. I feel that he has worked so hard that he deserves a long vacation, maybe get some golf in and make some TV appearances too. On November 6th I'm going to urge him to take all the time that he needs.

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Beau, The GOP 'mob' pictures when compared to their democrat counterparts are rather comforting to view. I'll 'betcha' you have posters of Barney Frank, Nasty Pelosi and Harry Reid on your living room walls. Take note that I'm not listing the most extreme villains either. I could have started with Boss Tweed and continued through the Chicago roster. Not that I'm feeling merciful but rather basking in the glow of the recently released Obama speech video.

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Stockard View Post
    Here are the people who have put a contract out on America .

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Chiefbuck,
    He promises much and delivers far less but does use executive privilege rather than the congressional process to accomplish his goal of reelection by catering to the groups who support him.
    I see that you're playing fast and loose with the "facts " again. President Obama has used 'executive privilege' less than any other President,including George W Bush . So, that must mean that President Obama sought compromise in the Congress more often than you tried to imply.
    He does not flip flop or change his opinions but does 'evolve'.
    But, American people do know President Obama,he's been in office 4 years. Americans know what he believes in ,what he stands for, --some like him ;some don't . In tonight's debate , the real Mitt Romney needs to stand up and introduce himself to Americans. Romney was pro-choice before he was anti-abortion; he was a climate change activist as Governor before he got turned around by big money robber polluter industrialists who promised their money to get him elected, Romneycare(which offered paid abortions) before privatised Medicare and favors to special interests like the Catholic Church. Will the real Mitt Romney stand up and be firm on anything?
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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    It will be interesting tonight, I plan to watch. I think this debate is important to both men but more so to Romney. If he effs this up the campaign could be over.


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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Romney doesn't have a chance to win a debate against BHO.

    Plus, he will not look good, if his campaign manager says "that's enough - no more questions about Bain".

    It is already over - except for the possible fleecing.

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Smh.......


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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    So.... I saw the thread headline and wanted to post a reoccurring thought I keep having in here. First, I should say that I did not back read any of these posts (too long and not enough time).... maybe later. Sorry if this has all been asked before.....

    Ok so, I have this strange feeling that if Romney actually wins this election, that he will revert back to that liberal Massachusetts Gov. I think he will be at the mercy of Congress, just like Obama is now, so if the Repubs keep their choke hold on Congress after Nov., I think they are going to be disappointed with their elected representative. If the D's take control, we may see more actions leaning towards the liberal side of the scale than any R thought he/she was voting for.

    Romney has flipped so many times it could only be to appease the R's so he could secure the nod but now that he has it, he's dropping a whole lot of hints that he is not going to follow through with the R's requests. I think what confused Obama at last night's debate was Romney's denial that he's going to do some of the things his camp and his conservative backers say he is. I think Obama was expecting an argument but instead got "I'm not going to do that" from Romney.

    So which is the TRUE Mitt? One spewing exactly what the conservatives want to hear or the man who fought for, spoke out for (or against if that implies) and implimented as many of these following issues as he could when he was leading Massachusetts?

    My quickly generated list (google if there are doubts... if that doesn't work, let me know and I'll find my sources)......


    He IS pro choice, even his sister swears that Mitt's administration would never make abortion illegal and that Mitt would never take away any women's rights, unlike his buddies in Congress. He even refused pro life endorsements in Mass.

    He is all for Stem Cell Research

    He wants minimum wage to reflect inflation

    Is personally financially invested in Fannie May and Freddie Mac

    Is proud that his Dad marched with MLK

    Was once for gays serving openly in military

    He supports gay rights and same sex marriage (he forced an executive order for gay marriage in Mass)

    He refused to support Bush's 10 year tax cut plan

    He opposed the Flat Tax

    He believes in Climate Change and blames humans for it and has been quoted as saying we must urgently stop contributing towards it including supporting a plan to limit carbon emissions

    He works well with Dems like Ted Kennedy

    Is for universal healthcare (Romneycare)

    He's been called a socialist by members of his own party

    His view on energy is liberal too, for ethanol, carbon taxes, cap and trade

    He is for Religious freedom

    He's against privatizing Social Security and against cutting SS benefits

    Against restructuring SS or medicare for current retirees and those close to retiring.

    Against raising taxes and raising retirement age

    Stated needing more jails, more police, less guns

    He basically dodged going to Vietnam...
    “I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam" May '94

    Has been quoted as supporting amnesty for illegal aliens (who pay taxes) should become permanent citizens

    He has spoken against the NRA, including supporting an assault weapon ban

    Is for DEPT of Education and for No child left behind"

    Is FOR campaign spending limits and wants to limit lobbying in DC

    Likes Mandates... lol

    Was all for econ stimulus packages

    Claims he was an Independent during Reagan/Bush and was quoted as not wanting to return to that era

    Quoted as being against "tax cuts for fat cats"


    I could go on all night....

    So, what do you think..... do actions speak louder than words? Do actions speak louder than words when that persons words have been documented to take both or all sides of these issues? Will Mitts actual record outweigh the "promises" he's preaching now? Is Mitt's camp promising one thing while Mitt is saying another? Seems every time Mitt speaks with his heart, his camp quickly "clarifies" Mitt's intended meaning.

    Discuss?

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Very astute observations Hockey, I thought I just heard a few heads explode.

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    "Romney doesn't have a chance to win a debate against BHO.

    Plus, he will not look good, if his campaign manager says "that's enough - no more questions about Bain".

    It is already over - except for the possible fleecing. ~ Laserhaas

    (EDITED because my QUOTE function is NOT working!!)


    Did it never occur to you that Mitt would distort and lie about his planned actions?

    With an audience so large, why not try like hell to win those wavering voters by throwing a few bones? His camp can always reiterate Mitt's actual meaning to an audience of 75 today leaving the millions of viewers scratching their heads.

    I think Obama was so prepared to hear Romney defend the conservatives, he got thrown off. Obama was ready to battle but Romney wasn't giving him the fuel. The only thing Obama could've done was yell "YOU ARE A LIAR" but then he'd be seen as a jerk or short tempered. I could see him thinking it through his eyes though.

    This sort of goes with my above post too.

    All I have to say is.... next debate is gearing up to be a bloody cage match. Obama won't be left speechless.

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Quote Originally Posted by laserhaas View Post
    Romney doesn't have a chance to win a debate against BHO.

    Plus, he will not look good, if his campaign manager says "that's enough - no more questions about Bain".

    It is already over - except for the possible fleecing.
    Hahahahaha


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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Gee, 0bama could have just used facts then...if Romney was lying, right? Why didn't he? They both had the same amount of time. Just admit he walked all over the president of the United States, now thats an embarrassment. Wait till Ryan gets a hold on ol' Joe thats going to be funny.

    Now that Romney has shown hes not out of this I bet we see that same old tired democrat attacks hes a racist, bain you put your dog on the roof blah blah.


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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grin View Post
    Very astute observations Hockey, I thought I just heard a few heads explode.
    (^using code for quotes)

    Thank you for that. I didn't mean to explode heads though.... any heads, in particular, I should be looking out for? Maybe I'll find out soon enough...... (shit.... now my emoticons aren't working..... CHASE!!!!)

    EDIT: that was fast. LOL

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    Re: Left-leaning Governor Romney Shifted Right As Presidential Ambitions Beckoned...

    To MAX.... (I really need to figure out why the quote thing isn't working.... FUDGE)

    You didn't think Romney was lying? What about my questions above? That's what I'm really interested in knowing.... not the debate "debate". LOL.

    Here.... (reprinted for convenience)

    So, what do you think..... do actions speak louder than words?
    Do actions speak louder than words when that persons words have been documented to take both or all sides of these issues?
    Will Mitts actual record outweigh the "promises" he's preaching now?
    Is Mitt's camp promising one thing while Mitt is saying another?
    Seems every time Mitt speaks with his heart, his camp quickly "clarifies" Mitt's intended meaning.


    Discuss?

    Seriously... are you concerned Mitt may go all soft and liberally if he gets in the big White adobe? Or do you think he's a man of his word.... his latest word?

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