Students can't afford Mitt Romney

[Beau Stockard]

The Romney/Ryan education plan? Shop around and borrow more money from your parents. http://ofa.bo/74LKyK

[longnecker]

The Romney/Ryan education plan? Shop around and borrow more money from your parents. http://ofa.bo/74LKyK

Interest free.. That's better than what they got under Obama.

[Beau Stockard]

@ longnecker,

...better than under Obama.

Not even close, pal.

[longnecker]

Beau.. You do know I posted that just for you. Don't you.I couldn't resist.!

[max1]

@ longnecker, Not even close, pal.

Everything in that picture is a distortion. or an outright lie.
Come on beau, lets be honest

[Beau Stockard]

You haven't been watching the Republican National Convention in Tampa ,Max? Beyond the headline: astute and deeply disturbing analysis of how the Republican Party makes blatant untruth politically effective. (Spoiler : attack the reality -based media as biased. Spend like crazy repeating lies in ads. Report the lies as truth on party- controlled media. Me again: Hitler would have been very impressed.
Romney Is Lying Through His Big White Teeth

www.readersupportednews.org/opinion2/279-82/13178... · 1 day ago
Romney Is Lying Through His Big White Teeth. By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog. 29 August 12 e're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," …

[max1]

All I'm saying is anyone who cares to read the RNC platform can tell your full of crap.

http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-p...America/#Item5

[max1]

Look, lets just agree that on both sides there are lies being told. Thats a fact not my opinion, if something is obviously a lie we should point it out. I did.

[Jessica]

Here is a link to the FULL Republican party platform, not just the section on natural resources that was linked above.

http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_home/

Regarding the graphic that Beau posted, the points were as follows:

- "Enact a Constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage." - They say exactly that.

They say: "We recognize and honor the courageous efforts of those who bear the many burdens of parenting alone, even as we believe that marriage, the union of one man and one woman must be upheld as the national standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and promote through laws governing marriage. We embrace the principle that all Americans should be treated with respect and dignity."

You could certainly infer that a "national standard" and a "goal" could be construed as such, especially since the party endorsed a candidate who has stated he would support one.

They go on to state: "We reaffirm our support for a Constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman."

-"Outlaw abortion even in cases of rape or incest." - This one isn't as clear, at least when it comes to the "rape and incest" part. I can't find anything that specifically states that.

This is what it says: "We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life."

So, that depends on how you look at it, in terms of how exclusive it is. They don't say "except in cases of rape or incest." But.. they don't specifically say they'll be excluded either. I think that's a debate that still rages amongst the party.

-"Let Wall Street back into the student loan market and drive up education costs."

The first part is fact, the second is a matter of opinion. They do want to get the federal government out of lending to students for their educations. Here's what they say: "The federal government should not be in the business of originating student loans; however, it should serve as an insurance guarantor for the private sector as they offer loans to students. Private sector participation in student financing should be welcomed."

One side tells us that private sector involvement hikes up the cost of loans. The other tells us that government involvement hikes up the cost of loans. I have both private and federal loans, and I can tell you that I would not have been able to afford graduate school (and maybe even undergrad) if all my loans were private. Just my personal experience.

So, in summary, no lies - just some extrapolations and opinions thrown in to make it more dramatic. If anyone is interested in the exact sections of the platform my quotes come from, just PM me. I'll be happy to let you know.

[max1]

So I was right. The graphic is misleading at best.

Just more distortions, I think obamma and company are scared.

"Here is a link to the FULL Republican party platform, not just the section on natural resources that was linked above."
Jessica;
And at least I posted something that was factual instead of some mis-leading graphic designed to confuse. Sorry if you had to click your mouse button on the home tab, I will try harder next time. Is snarky the new polite?

[Beau Stockard]

Max,

So I was right. The graphic is misleading at best.

No, Max , you are wrong and you know it if you would have bothered to read through all of Jessica's post and mine. Jessica concluded ,

So, in summary, no lies

I'm surprised at you Max that you would disrespect a friend by not reading all of her post (or even mine) before condemning it . Tsk, tsk, my friend. ( )

[EpicWin]

Max, No, Max , you are wrong and you know it if you would have bothered to read through all of Jessica's post and mine. Jessica concluded , I'm surprised at you Max that you would disrespect a friend by not reading all of her post (or even mine) before condemning it . Tsk, tsk, my friend. ( )

[Beau Stockard]

Nice post, Jessica;

"Outlaw abortion even in cases of rape or incest." - This one isn't as clear, at least when it comes to the "rape and incest" part. I can't find anything that specifically states that.

Your own assessment helped illuminate the relevant issue here unlike our friend ,Max , who conveniently cut -out the pertinent parts in his abbreviated post on the RNC platform

Here is a link to the FULL Republican party platform, not just the section on natural resources that was linked above.

http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_home/

In regards ,Jessica , to your complaint that you couldn't find anything clear or specific in the RNC Platform that it supports legislation on a total outlawing of safe abortion without exceptions , I direct you to Paul Ryan's consistent record in the Congress on siding with Todd Akin's view. Ryan voted for over 8 anti-abortion without exceptions bills. Does a leopard change his spots? Ryan’s Record of Abortion Opposition Consistent With Akin’s ...



www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-22/ryan-opposition-to-abortion...
Aug 22, 2012 · ... 38 anti-abortion measures, including some that make no ... Todd Akin, right, with House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan ... ban. Original Co-Sponsors …

[Beau Stockard]

You are right EpicWin and Max that we should give the GOP some credit when they deserve it.

[max1]

I'm surprised at you Max that you would disrespect a friend by not reading all of her post (or even mine) before condemning it . Tsk, tsk, my friend. ( )

Jessica is not my friend, she just another mis-guided young girl who has bought into all the feel good stuff libs tell each other.

[EpicWin]

You are right EpicWin and Max that we should give the GOP some credit when they deserve it.

How?

[max1]

In regards ,Jessica , to your complaint that you couldn't find anything clear or specific in the RNC Platform that it supports legislation on a total outlawing of safe abortion without exceptions , I direct you to Paul Ryan's consistent record in the Congress on siding with Todd Akin's view. Ryan voted for over 8 anti-abortion without exceptions bills. Does a leopard change his spots? Ryan’s Record of Abortion Opposition Consistent With Akin’s ...



www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-22/ryan-opposition-to-abortion...
Aug 22, 2012 · ... 38 anti-abortion measures, including some that make no ... Todd Akin, right, with House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan ... ban. Original Co-Sponsors …

lol thats not the GOP platform.

[max1]

So you post a picture with two out of three statements that are a lie, and you feel thats a win? That makes you credible? This is typical of you and most of the libs here you speak in half truths.

[max1]

Here's a bit of nice news :-)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...emocrats-well/

[Beau Stockard]

There is no doubt from me Max about the many Republicans for President Obama. Did you witness Clint Eastwood's superb performance at the RNC last night? Whoever in the RNC organizing committee thought that Clint Eastwood( pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, who also favored the successful Obama auto bail-outs as shown in his Chrysler Super Bowl ad) would make an excellent speaker in Tampa this year must also be a DNC plant. Some Republicans do recognize that President Obama is the workin' man's candidate.