Del. Day Care Center Under Investigation

[longnecker]

You got me there. I do have a furry loved one and I'm still paying for it. Just out of curiosity, say you had a child and your furry dog attacked that child, what would you do? Would you still keep the dog?

[QUOTE=Bellicose;327257

Can I first ask, was the dog provoked? Yes, I just asked that, to some it wont matter, to others it may. Sorry, but sometimes it has some bearing on the situation. Case in point, see story below....

Wait what? In that scenario, I would choose the child. I may not kill the dog, but I would get rid of it. Pay the money to the SPCA, and tell them it attacked a kid. They could decide whether or not the dog should be put down or sent to a place where there are no kids around ever.
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Well looks like we are on the same page after all!!!

[terri]

Fostering, correct me if I'm wrong, is not adoption. its you get said kid until thy find a home for the kid. At that point you lose the kid to that home. You don't get to decide, nah I'm keeping the kid, it's already been decided for you. Please note I did not say good home......

Well... you're kinda right and kinda wrong.

In almost every case, the original goal for foster children is reunification with their family, whether that be a parent or another relative.

Many of our foster families are also 'adoptive resources' which means that they are open to adopting a child/children they are fostering in their home. There are very strict federal guidelines for how long a child can be in the foster care system before they have to be reunited with families, or have the goal changed to TPR (termination of parental rights) and adoption, or Alternative Planned Permanent Living Arrangement (teens that will age out rather than be adopted).

Foster parents who are choosing to adopt the kids they've taken into their homes are invaluable, especially for kids who have endured abusive upbringings and the million different mental and physical ailments that sometimes come with them.

[Bellicose]

Was actually waiting on your response on that one Terri, Thanks!

Tracy, now that is something I can definitely respect, and understand completely. That is where no kids for me changes things. I'm watching your kid, who I make safe and then go back in. Not that I would want to, but I'm pretty sure Wifey could take care of herself without me. Hope and pray that this situation never arises.

Longnecker, somewhat Yes. But not quite. Hence the part where I would get rid of the of, and not kill it myself. I would still try and make sure it was kept alive, and in a safe place. I'm sure not everyone would do that, if that scenario was to ever play out. Which I hope never does have to play it for anyone on here.

[Curly]

I don't care if the dog was provoked or not, you bite my kid in the face or anywhere, the dog is dead. IMO, anyone... animal or human who harms a child purposefully, deserves nothing less than death. Sure, I'd introduce the animal to a new child first to see how it interacts. If all goes well, great. If for some reason it does hurt the kid later, tough shit, it's done. You must be really cool headed Bell. I just can't imagine myself remaining calm enough to figure out if the dog was provoked or not while my child is bleeding and crying. They'd have to pull me off that dog. My excuse: Sorry, I was provoked.

[longnecker]

I don't care if the dog was provoked or not, you bite my kid in the face or anywhere, the dog is dead. IMO, anyone... animal or human who harms a child purposefully, deserves nothing less than death. Sure, I'd introduce the animal to a new child first to see how it interacts. If all goes well, great. If for some reason it does hurt the kid later, tough shit, it's done. You must be really cool headed Bell. I just can't imagine myself remaining calm enough to figure out if the dog was provoked or not while my child is bleeding and crying. They'd have to pull me off that dog. My excuse: Sorry, I was provoked.

If I had to pull a beloved family pet off a visitor that might have pissed the dog off it would be SPCA time. If it was my child or grandchild, dog would be in BIG trouble and kid would not get another pet for a LLLOOOONNNGGGtime.

[Bellicose]

Longnecker, din my case there was no pulling the dog off. He snapped and I said hy. He stopped and and went and laid down. There also was no might have provoked, seen it with my own two eyes on each occasion. Should I of removed the dog completely from the scenario, perhaps. The dog was trying to stay away, but kid kept following. Mom, knowing we have already told him to stop, never did a thing. At that point, I am not the parent and warning both parent and child. Not mine or the dogs fault.

Curly, I understand that, but if the dog is being tormented, and has no means of countering What is it supposed to do, just lay there and take it. Just like a human, you can only push it so far before it finally breaks and snaps. Yup just compared them again, and tht was completely unintentional.

[longnecker]

Longnecker, din my case there was no pulling the dog off. He snapped and I said hy. He stopped and and went and laid down. There also was no might have provoked, seen it with my own two eyes on each occasion. Should I of removed the dog completely from the scenario, perhaps. The dog was trying to stay away, but kid kept following. Mom, knowing we have already told him to stop, never did a thing. At that point, I am not the parent and warning both parent and child. Not mine or the dogs fault.

Not knowing all the circumstances I can't say what I think you should have done. My mind pops to putting the dog in another room.If the people were family or someone you really wanted to visit with, and the weather not too extreme maybe putting the dog in the car for awhile, I have had big dogs since I can remember. Some of them liked to check people out(jump/snif) I have been known to tell people the dogs live here and if you don't like it you may have to leave.

[Bellicose]

Oh no they were visiting us.

Thats our rule, the dogs live here and you don't. If you don't like it then don't visit. I will do what I can within means to keep the dogs away. They will be excited at first and then after a minute of that, it's lay down time. If a child comes in the house that seems timid, I will do what I can to not let them get near the kid. Unil the kid warms up to the dogs, which is normally about a minute or so. Only because te female will bring a ball and drop it right at thir feet. I just say you can throw it if you want, but just know, she will always come back for it to be thrown again. Then the kids fall in love with them and want to lay in the bed with them, and do whatever else.

A lot of people are a bit timid when they first walk in. I would too, if there was a dog the size of a large coffee table running at me, and another one behind it the size of a slightly smaller coffee table. 200lbs of dogs running at you, does not look all warm and fuzzy at first glance, lol

[Curly]

Thats our rule, the dogs live here and you don't. If you don't like it then don't visit.

On the flip side, I had some inlaws who were about to visit our house. They called about 2 hours before they were to arrive and asked if they could bring their dogs, I said "nope". They came but never visited again. My main reason, my house is small and very clean. Their house smells like dog and their dogs smell..hair everywhere. I once saw their dog eat the other dog's shit after it was just dropped......All this time I though they only smelled ass and licked balls. Man, fuck that. I still have nightmares. This is a cat and kid friendly zone only.

[Bellicose]

Yeah we have people tell us to bring our dogs with us, but we very rarely do. I knew someone who had a dog that did that. Was absolutely disgusting! Hear its a sign of dominance, thought it was strange, because why would a dog try to dominate itself? Lol

For the record, our house is pretty clean, I am somewhat of a neat freak, and if it smells like dog, then I would have to take care of that quickly. After bathing them, yeah probably. Their room, maybe a little, but I do try my best to keep the hair, and smell down to a minimum. We have laminate throughout, except for carpet in a hallway and our bedroom. That definitely helps, helps more in our room, because we barely ever let them in there.

[Curly]

Yeah we have people tell us to bring our dogs with us, but we very rarely do. I knew someone who had a dog that did that. Was absolutely disgusting! Hear its a sign of dominance, thought it was strange, because why would a dog try to dominate itself? Lol

For the record, our house is pretty clean, I am somewhat of a neat freak, and if it smells like dog, then I would have to take care of that quickly. After bathing them, yeah probably. Their room, maybe a little, but I do try my best to keep the hair, and smell down to a minimum. We have laminate throughout, except for carpet in a hallway and our bedroom. That definitely helps, helps more in our room, because we barely ever let them in there.

Please Bellicose, I never meant to insinuate that you or anybody that owns dogs aren't clean. I was just using an example. I have no doubt you take good care of your animals, it's a lot of work. In your case, I would probably say "Sure, bring them over".

I didn't realize that poop eating was a dominance thing. "Honey, don't let Fifi lick you, trust me".

[Bellicose]

Oh no I never took it that way, sorry if you misunderstood my post as me taking it like that.

Yeah that's what I have heard, them trying to show dominance to the other animal. Well shall I say another dog. The other kinds of poo they eat is them thinking it's a rare delicacy, which us humans know is not...lol. Not all dogs do it, thank goodness. Lol, with the quote.

[Curly]

Wow and laughing out loud. How did we get from day care abuse to dogs eating poop?

[Bellicose]

I don't know, but didn't think of that either. Too funny. My how these threads can get off topic....lol

[EpicWin]

I don't know, but didn't think of that either. Too funny. My how these threads can get off topic....lol

[Bellicose]

Once had a dog, that all you had to do was say squirrel, and he would jump up and take off running for the fence. No matter what he was doing at the time. Was soo funny.....lol

[longnecker]

DOVER, Del. (AP) - The mothers of two 3-year-old boys who allegedly were encouraged to fight at a Dover day care center have filed a lawsuit.
The lawsuit alleges among other things that the March fight at Hands of Our Future day care was not an isolated incident.

The plaintiffs are seeking money damages for physical and mental injuries and accuse day care officials, among other things, of assault and battery, false imprisonment, breach of contract and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

Three day care workers who allegedly encouraged and videotaped the fight were criminally charged in August with assault, conspiracy and endangering the welfare of a child.

State officials last month lifted a suspension of the day care's license and allowed it to reopen under probation if it meets certain conditions.
http://www.wmdt.com/story/20111352/toddler-fight-at-del-day-care-leads-to-lawsuit

[Kid Lester]

State officials last month lifted a suspension of the day care's license and allowed it to reopen under probation if it meets certain conditions.
http://www.wmdt.com/story/20111352/toddler-fight-at-del-day-care-leads-to-lawsuit

Hmm.

What do you suppose you have to do in order to lose a day care license? Do you actually have to murder children? And would THAT even be enough to lose your day care license?

Obviously having a day care license has nothing to do with caring for children. I'm not sure why you even have to get one. It would appear that your children would be better off with random strangers than a place with a day care license.

[longnecker]

Two of 3 Dover Day Care Workers Plead Guilty

Dec 13, 2012 -- 4:01am Two of three Dover daycare workers arrested this past August and charged with numerous offenses after Dover Police confiscated a cell phone video of a March 6 incident in which two 3-year-old boys were encouraged to fight at a daycare center, pleaded guilty Wednesday and were sentenced.
21-year-old Estefania Myers and 47-year-old Lisa Parker, both pleaded guilty to 2nd degree assault and 2nd degree conspiracy in connection with the incident at the Hands of Our Future Day Care Center.
Myers was sentenced to 10 years in prison, but Judge Robert Young then suspended that sentence for one year of probation during which time she cannot work or volunteer in a day care facility.
Parker’s sentencing is set for January 30 following a pre-trial investigation.
The third woman arrested, 20-year-old Tiana Harris has also been offered a plea deal but has not yet accepted the offer.
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