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    States restrict welfare purchases


    More states are enacting or considering laws that prohibit people who get welfare cash from spending it on liquor, cigarettes, strip clubs, gambling and guns — laws that even supporters say are difficult to enforce.


    Under a new federal law, all states must prevent the use of cash benefits in liquor stores, gambling establishments and adult entertainment businesses by 2014. States that fail to establish policies face cuts in federal support.
    Welfare recipients use debit cards to buy things or get cash at ATMs. A report by the House Ways and Means committee cited news reports in eight states about people with welfare debit cards withdrawing thousands of dollars from ATMs in casinos, liquor stores and strip clubs. The report did not estimate how often that happened or how much money was involved.
    Last year, 4.4 million people received cash benefits ranging from $200 to $1,000 a month, paid by federal and state governments. The federal government share was more than $16.5 billion.
    Food stamps pay for food, and welfare cash is supposed to be for non-food necessities, but states find it difficult to police.

    "Until we figure out how to program the machines, it's tough to stop someone from taking cash out of an ATM and buying liquor," says New York state Sen. Thomas Libous, a Republican from Binghamton. His bill to restrict the use of cash welfare passed the state Senate in June but has not been introduced in the Assembly.
    The laws are meaningless because they can't restrict how someone spends the cash once it is in hand, says Elizabeth Lower-Basch, a policy analyst for CLASP, an advocacy group for low-income people. "It's a way for legislators to look like they are on top of things," she says. "It plays into people's stereotypes of the undeserving poor who buy things that are wasteful."
    In Louisiana, a stalled bill would have barred all ATM cash withdrawals with welfare debit cards and use of the cards in strip clubs or to buy liquor or cigarettes.
    Enforcement would be "not simple, but it's not impossible," says the bill's author, state Rep. Cameron Henry, a Republican representing Jefferson and Orleans parishes. It would cost $400,000 to reprogram the cards and machines.
    State Rep. Regina Barrow, a Baton Rouge Democrat who opposed the bill, says the state shouldn't restrict access to all ATMs because people still need cash to buy necessities.
    Last year, Massachusetts passed a law that prohibits spending cash assistance on alcohol, tobacco and lottery tickets. But it is "not possible to pinpoint what is being purchased, as many retail stores sell a variety of products including food, household items, alcohol and tobacco," says Alec Loftus, a spokesman for the Office of Health and Human Services.
    In Massachusetts, clients must pay back misused money, and store owners who knowingly let welfare recipients spend the money on prohibited items can be fined up to $1,000 — but Loftus says no one has turned in any violators.
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    Re: States restrict welfare purchases

    Here's a thought....how about they can't be used as a damn ATM debit card to get cash back in the first place????? Shit like this just really pisses me off. I know there will always be people that will find a way to abuse the system, but how about we at least attempt to make it difficult for them? And if I have to put my money into the welfare system I want routine drug tests too. The system that started as a way to help people get on their feet has become a way of life for far too many people.
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    Re: States restrict welfare purchases

    I suspect the notion of allowing them to get cash back stemmed from people not being able to buy non-food necessities--soap, deodorant, laundry detergent, etc.--with traditional food stamps. Or get their hair cut. It's pretty hard to get a job if you stink, your clothes are as dirty as you are, and your hair looks like you just rolled out of bed (or a two-year-old hacked away at it, which is what it looks like if I make the grave mistake of trying to cut my own hair).

    Welfare drug testing programs are a feel-good measure that the gov't can point to and claim they have "done something" about evil poor people, but in reality they cost more than they end up saving. Having grown up around welfare lifers, this makes sense to me; most of them abuse alcohol and prescription drugs, not pot. (If confronted, they'll get belligerent and screech, "MY DOCTOR gave me these pills!" Yeah, five doctors, and five different pharmacies.)

    That said, to me this sort of abuse is one of the reasons why it would be better to just privatize welfare. Charities and churches helping the poor on a local level are in a better position to monitor for abuse, and those who do not agree with the notion of welfare, or who do not like a particular church or charity, are free to not donate.

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    Re: States restrict welfare purchases

    i understand the welfare card / atm thing, you are right Child. BUT, stopping people from using it at casinos and strip clubs seems dumb to me as well.

    what is the first thing i do before i go to the casino or strip club? stop at wawa and tap mac, lol, im not paying $5 to use the atm at the club.

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    Re: States restrict welfare purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by Chase View Post
    i understand the welfare card / atm thing, you are right Child. BUT, stopping people from using it at casinos and strip clubs seems dumb to me as well.

    what is the first thing i do before i go to the casino or strip club? stop at wawa and tap mac, lol, im not paying $5 to use the atm at the club.
    Right Chase but that is your money. You actually WORKED for it. Would that $5 matter so much if it was free money you got every month?

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    Re: States restrict welfare purchases

    Quote Originally Posted by longnecker View Post
    Right Chase but that is your money. You actually WORKED for it. Would that $5 matter so much if it was free money you got every month?
    It might, because the money is not unlimited.

    A die-hard gambler wouldn't waste $5.00 at a casino ATM. They want that five bucks to gamble with. They do think about these things. They'll refuse to buy food so they have more money to put on a horse or whatever.

    Welfare recipients generally only get a couple hundred bucks a month in cash...not enough for anyone to get rich off of on its own. The fraud is being committed by people who aren't dependent on welfare; they sell drugs, work under the table, and/or collect money "for" children who aren't living with them, and who they do not financially support in any way. In these cases, the couple hundred bucks isn't money they need to buy necessities; it is extra money that they can afford to blow.

    It's not easy to track this sort of fraud. The people committing it are skilled con artists who know how to hide their tracks. The gov't knows this, which is why they never talk about it. They point to people who plunk their money down on booze or casinos rather than buying food because that's easier to track and catch. Unfortunately, the money they are squandering is a pittance compared to the far more wide-scale fraud being committed by the con artists.

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