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    Re: What is truth and does it matter?

    The inflexible "Sword of Truth" is immortal.

    A truth is always true.

    Folly comes from the desire to make distortions a reality

    - as King Solomon said

    "everything is vanity under the son".

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    Re: An Obama voter/ food for thought!

    No snopes here. We do not worry about truth in our political threads.

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    Re: Obma`s citizenship kept very quiet

    Obma? Lol

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    Re: Obma`s citizenship kept very quiet

    Quote Originally Posted by RobForaker View Post
    I have a whole library of election 2008 and conspiracies about Obama. While Republicans laughed about the young senator, he became President.
    Funny but I didn't even take him seriously. I truly believed Hilary would be our next President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longnecker View Post
    Funny but I didn't even take him seriously. I truly believed Hilary would be our next President.
    At what point did you realize he was running?


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    Re: Obma`s citizenship kept very quiet

    By the way, to my knowledge Pakistan has never been on an official Gov't "no go" list. There have been travelers' warnings during uprisings, but travel there had never been forbidden.That is one really bad thing about all the e-information out there. Rumors, sarcastic statements, satire and lies abound, are paraded as truth, and fly unchecked all over this country and farther. Please confirm these things from reliable sources.

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    Something else, Chase, I forgot to thank you for showing that one hoax from several years ago.It keeps popping up as if it's new and people don't realize how old and untrue it is. It's a snoozer all right!

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    Re: Obma`s citizenship kept very quiet

    Quote Originally Posted by max1 View Post
    At what point did you realize he was running?
    Oh I knew he was running but come on now. An unknown black man with no experience. Much more popular,qualified people in those primaries. Right?

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    Obama and the Supreme court

    Obama's Solicitor General, and recent appointment to the bench, has leaked to Obama the courts vote of last Friday was 5/4 to strike down Obama's health care law. Look to see the Democrats heavy hand in trying to get the decision changed before the June announcement.
    Obama May Be In Deep Trouble... with Chief Justice John Roberts, US Supreme Court Anthony G. Martin - North St. Paul News. According to sources who watch the inner workings of the federal government, a smack-down of Barack Obama by the US Supreme Court may be inevitable.


    Ever since Obama assumed the office of President, critics have hammered him on a number of Constitutional issues. Critics have complained that much, if not all of Obama's major initiatives run headlong into Constitutional roadblocks on the power of the federal government. Obama certainly did not help himself in the eyes of the Court when he used the venue of the State of the Union address early in the year to publicly flog the Court over its ruling that the First Amendment grants the right to various organizations to run political ads during the time of an election. The tongue-lashing clearly did not sit well with the Court, as demonstrated by Justice Sam Alito, who publicly shook his head and stated under his breath, 'That's not true,' when Obama told a flat-out lie concerning the Court's ruling.


    As it has turned out, this was a watershed moment in the relationship between the executive and the judicial branches of the federal government. Obama publicly declared war on the court, even as he blatantly continued to propose legislation that flies in the face of every known Constitutional principle upon which this nation has stood for over 200 years.


    Obama has even identified Chief Justice John Roberts as his number one enemy, that is, apart from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and so on. And it is no accident that the one swing-vote on the court, Justice Anthony Kennedy, stated recently that he has no intention of retiring until 'Obama is gone.' Apparently, the Court has had enough. The Roberts Court has signaled, in a very subtle manner, of course, that it intends to address the issues about which Obama critics have been screaming to high heaven. A ruling against Obama on any one of these important issues could potentially cripple the Administration. Such a thing would be long overdue.


    First, there is ObamaCare, which violates the Constitutional principle barring the federal government from forcing citizens to purchase something. And no, this is not the same thing as states requiring drivers to purchase car insurance, as some of the intellectually-impaired claim. The Constitution limits the FEDERAL government, not state governments, from such things, and further, not everyone has to drive, and thus, a citizen could opt not to purchase car insurance by simply deciding not to drive a vehicle. In the ObamaCare world, however, no citizen can 'opt out.'


    Second, sources state that the Roberts court has quietly accepted information concerning discrepancies in Obama's history that raise serious questions about his eligibility for the office of President. The charge goes far beyond the birth certificate issue. This information involves possible fraudulent use of a Social Security number in Connecticut, while Obama was a high school student in Hawaii. And that is only the tip of the iceberg.


    Third, several cases involving possible criminal activity, conflicts of interest, and pay-for-play cronyism could potentially land many Administration officials, if not Obama himself, in hot water with the Court. Frankly, in the years this writer has observed politics, nothing comes close to comparing with the rampant corruption of this Administration, not even during the Nixon years. Nixon and the Watergate conspirators look like choirboys compared to the jokers that populate this Administration.


    In addition, the Court will eventually be forced to rule on the dreadful decision of the Obama DOJ suing the state of Arizona . That, too, could send the Obama doctrine of open borders to an early grave, given that the Administration refuses to enforce federal law on illegal aliens.


    And finally, the biggie that could potentially send the entire house of cards tumbling in a free-fall is the latest revelation concerning the Obama-Holder Department of Justice and its refusal to pursue the New Black Panther Party. The group was caught on tape committing felonies by attempting to intimidate Caucasian voters into staying away from the polls. A whistle-blower who resigned from the DOJ is now charging Holder with the deliberate refusal to pursue cases against Blacks, particularly those who are involved in radical hate-groups, such as the New Black Panthers, who have been caught on tape calling for the murder of white people and their babies. This one is a biggie that could send the entire Administration crumbling--that is, if the Justices have the guts to draw a line in the sand at the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. unquote

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    Re: What is truth and does it matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by max1 View Post
    We debate facts and argue opinions.

    I dont know you "outtahere" but I guess we at least sit on the same side of the fence politically although how far either one of us leans to the right or left is to be debated. I believe this country is on a path of destruction, I firmly believe that at some point the economy will collapse and we may end up in some type of barter system. All that aside I also firmly believe we are at war already in our own country, it's not a hot (shooting) war but a war of words with folks who simply pass around any thing they receive in their e-mail or state their opinions and claim them to be fact. Speaking for myself I feel it's my duty to help those folks see the difference between the two. You just can't come to a forum like this and post inflammatory articles with no proof or sources to back up what you say. This is a intelligent group of people and they will either call you on your post or just ignore you.
    Enter my post --you`ll understand life better.

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    Re: Obama and the Supreme court

    Good example of why Justice's terms should expire and be up for change or reappointment every 4 years. It would make thing sooo much simpler.

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    Re: What is truth and does it matter?

    Here`s a person that feels it is his duty to help folks with their opinion about facts and opinions and yet calls others opinions such as mine inflammatory. Everyone has an opinion but don`t necessarily contain facts that`s why it`s called `opinion` otherwise every post entered on this forum is the truth. An impossible assumption. Some people have thanked me for my past posts and I appreciate that. However when I get slander from one such as Max1 I wonder about his qualification to be a member of this fine forum.




    Quote Originally Posted by max1 View Post
    We debate facts and argue opinions.

    I dont know you "outtahere" but I guess we at least sit on the same side of the fence politically although how far either one of us leans to the right or left is to be debated. I believe this country is on a path of destruction, I firmly believe that at some point the economy will collapse and we may end up in some type of barter system. All that aside I also firmly believe we are at war already in our own country, it's not a hot (shooting) war but a war of words with folks who simply pass around any thing they receive in their e-mail or state their opinions and claim them to be fact. Speaking for myself I feel it's my duty to help those folks see the difference between the two. You just can't come to a forum like this and post inflammatory articles with no proof or sources to back up what you say. This is a intelligent group of people and they will either call you on your post or just ignore you.
    or is it unquote?

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    Re: What is truth and does it matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by outahere View Post
    Here`s a person that feels it is his duty to help folks with their opinion about facts and opinions and yet calls others opinions such as mine inflammatory. Everyone has an opinion but don`t necessarily contain facts that`s why it`s called `opinion` otherwise every post entered on this forum is the truth. An impossible assumption. Some people have thanked me for my past posts and I appreciate that. However when I get slander from one such as Max1 I wonder about his qualification to be a member of this fine forum.




    or is it unquote?
    I will never use my opinions to try to convince you its the truth.........


    You do have to admit that a lot of what you post is un-true, made-up or outright lies about a sitting president. I don't like Obama either but I don't need to look for made up accusations in order to point out his failings. I hated it when the left tore Bush a new asshole (some deserved some not) and in some ways I think Obama deserves it but what really pisses me off is when someone tries to pass off their opinion as fact, and you sir are guilty of that.

    We can debate things either way fact or opinions but if we are going to use your tactics then my opinion is that you are a liar who tries to hide his hate in his perceived patriotism.


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    Food for thought

    At a time when many Americans can barely afford Burger King and a movie, Obama boasts of spending a billion dollars on his re-election campaign. Questioned at a recent appearance about the spiraling fuel costs, Obama said, "Get used to it" – and with an insouciant grin and chortle, he told another person at the event, who complained about the effect high fuel prices were having on his family, to "get a more fuel-efficient car."

    The Obamas behave as if they were sharecroppers living in a trailer and hit the Powerball, but instead of getting new tires for their trailer and a new pickup truck, they moved to Washington. And instead of making possum pie, with goats and chickens in the front yard, they're spending and living large at taxpayer expense – opulent vacations, gala balls, resplendent dinners and exclusive command performances at the White House, grand date nights, golf, basketball, more golf, exclusive resorts and still more golf. In the 1950's they called it acting NIGGER RICH.

    Expensive, ill-fitting and ill-chosen wigs and fashions hardly befit the first lady of the United States. The Obamas have behaved in every way but presidential – which is why it's so offensive when we hear Obama say, in order "to restore fiscal responsibility, we all need to share in the sacrifice – but we don't have to sacrifice the America we believe in."

    The American people have been sacrificing; it is he and his family who are behaving as if they've never had two nickels to rub together – and now, having hit the mother lode, they're going to spend away their feelings of inadequacy at the taxpayers' expense.

    Obama continues to exhibit behavior that, at best, can be described as mobocratic and, at worst, reveals a deeply damaged individual. In a February 2010 column, I asked, "Is Obama unraveling?” I wrote that it was beginning to appear the growing mistrust of him and contempt for his policies was beginning to have a destabilizing effect on him.

    At that time, I wrote that not having things go one's way can be a bitter pill, but reasonable people don't behave as he was behaving. He had insulted Republicans at their luncheon, where he had been an invited guest. I had speculated that was, in part, what had led him to falsely accuse Supreme Court justices before Congress, the nation and the world, during the 2010 State of the Union address.

    It appeared, at that time, as if he were "fraying around the emotional edges." That behavior has not abated – it has become more pronounced. While addressing the nation, after being forced to explain the validity of his unilateral aggression with Libya, America witnessed a petulant individual scowling and scolding the public for daring to insist he explain his actions.

    But during an afternoon speech to address the budget/debt, he took his scornful, unstable despotic behavior to depths that should give the nation cause for concern. Displaying a dark psychopathy more representative of an episode of "The Tudors" television series, he invited Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, to sit in the front row during his speech and then proceeded to berate both Ryan and Ryan's budget-cutting plan. Even liberal Democrats were put off by the act. MSNBC's Joe Scarborough questioned the sanity of Obama's actions.

    Today, criticism is coming from all sides. A senior Democrat lawmaker said, "I have been very disappointed in (Obama), to the point where I'm embarrassed that I endorsed him. It's so bad that some of us are thinking, is there some way we can replace him? How do you get rid of this guy?" ("Democrats' Disgust with Obama," The Daily Beast, April 15, 2011)

    Steve McCann wrote: Obama's speech "was chock full of lies, deceit and crass fear-mongering. It must be said that he is the most dishonest, deceitful and mendacious person in a position of power I have ever witnessed" ("The Mendacity of Barack Obama,"
    AmericanThinker.com, April 15, 2011).

    McCann continued: "His performance was the culmination of four years of outright lies and narcissism that have been largely ignored by the media, including some in the conservative press and political class who are loath to call him what he is in the bluntest of terms: a liar and a fraud. That he relies on his skin color to intimidate, either outright or by insinuation [against] those who oppose his radical agenda only add to his audacity. It is apparent that he has gotten away with his character flaws his entire life, aided and abetted by sycophants around him. "

    With these being among the kinder rebukes being directed at Obama, and with people becoming less intimidated by his willingness to use race as a bludgeon, with falling poll numbers in every meaningful category and an increasingly aggressive tea-party opposition – how much longer before he cracks completely?

    The coming months of political life are not going to be pleasant for Obama. Possessed by a self-perceived palatine mindset; that in his mind places him above criticism, how long before he cracks in public? Can America risk a man with a documented track record of lying and misrepresenting truth as a basic way of life, who is becoming increasingly more contumelious? unquote--entered as an opinion.

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    Re: Food for thought



    America is an idea, but it's an idea that brings with it some baggage, like power brings responsibility. It's an idea that brings with it equality, but equality even though it's the highest calling, is the hardest to reach. The idea that anything is possible, that's one of the reasons why I'm a fan of America. - Bono, Commencement University of Pennsylvania May 17, 2004

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    Re: What is truth and does it matter?

    Outahere- you have a right to your opinions. Some of us don't agree, so we argue facts that support a different opinion.
    What makes this forum great(for me anyway) is, I get to hear a bunch of different opinions and the facts or experience that support them, doesn't mean I agree, but it helps me understand a different perspective.
    When there are no facts it gets tedious.

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    Re: What is truth and does it matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grin View Post
    When there are no facts it gets tedious.
    I agree with you. Trouble is with so many sources each with their own agenda, where do we get the real true facts??

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    Re: What is truth and does it matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by longnecker View Post
    I agree with you. Trouble is with so many sources each with their own agenda, where do we get the real true facts??
    ALL facts are both REAL and TRUE by definition. The trouble is that FACTS come in two varieties: objective and interpretive. People who deny the former simply deny objective reality, something all deniers do at their own peril.

    The latter class of facts, however, is a tad more troublesome because this class of facts requires an OBJECTIVE preponderance of the available evidence.

    As both, individuals and integral parts of a collective called society, all of us use both types of facts in order to arrive at the TRUTH. This is easy to accomplish within the objective realm of reality where TRUTH tends to be absolute.

    But, as we dive into the pool of interpretive facts, truth is overwhelmingly relative. Two reasonable people analyzing the same interpretive facts can legitimately arrive at different—even opposite—truths.

    Of course, decades ago an intellectually curious public dove into that pool of interpretive facts under the ever-watchful eyes of information lifeguards called INVESTIGATIVE NEWS REPORTERS.

    But this is no longer the case. We’re all on our own, now, because broadcast news bureaus are now controlled by a handful of broadcast conglomerates (an oligopoly). These folks transferred all the news bureaus from overhead centers into profit centers.

    News is now entertainment entirely dependent on ratings and on which on-air personalities (radio and TV) are the most expedient at the task of “choosing-up sides” for the tirade of inevitably mindless and ENDLESS, hissy fits.

    Entertainment, unlike real news, appeals to the lowest social and intellectual common denominator, wherein preconceived notions trump all forms of empirically substantiated fact. But, like it or not, no matter how adroitly relative hissy-fitters present their statistical justifications regarding their points, bullshit is still bullshit.

    If the underlying logic is flawed to begin with, it doesn't matter how systematically people do the calculations. All they're going to end up with is a high confidence level and a relatively small margin of error of arriving at the wrong conclusions.

    So, we’re all on our own, Longnecker; and I see no end in sight. I fear we’re screwed and that the inmates are truly running the asylum!
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