the super anti-obama thread

[outahere]

It`s the so and so`s out there that are making it possible to form opinions of the educated. With opinions facts are drawn. Todays form of gov. cannot agree together when facts are obvious in some ways such as a hung jury.

[outahere]

You got the first half of your statement correct. Lies when found to be so cannot be accepted.

[cracker]

Here a some facts that the mainstream media doesn't want us to know:

1. Obama was born in Hawaii which is an island, not a state.

2. Being born in Hawaii makes Obama a foreigner, not a citizen.

3. It is in the constitution that to be elected President one MUST be a natural born U.S. citizen.

4. One thing Obama has in common w/ all the Mexicans: DER TAKIN OUR JOOOOOOBS!!!

[max1]

Here a some facts that the mainstream media doesn't want us to know:

1. Obama was born in Hawaii which is an island, not a state.

2. Being born in Hawaii makes Obama a foreigner, not a citizen.

3. It is in the constitution that to be elected President one MUST be a natural born U.S. citizen.

4. One thing Obama has in common w/ all the Mexicans: DER TAKIN OUR JOOOOOOBS!!!

I knew it!

[childOfLacroix]

I can't stand Obummer, but he's an American who was born in Hawaii.

What really upsets me about the birther nonsense is that it detracts from the real issues, like the fact that unemployment rate has gone up, and in addition most of the new jobs being created are like the ones Amazon is bringing to Middletown: ~$11.00/hour service jobs. In other words, dead-end gigs, with no benefits or junk benefits, and that pay so little the employees qualify for welfare. (Not that those jobs "should" pay more; what we need are skilled jobs that pay well.)

But let's not talk about all of that. Let's keep claiming that Obummer is a Kenyan Muslim.

[max1]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

[Chase]

its almost to the point where ima make a "chain mail thread" and lump all this bs together

[Kid Lester]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

[max1]

I just don't understand why we are not paying attention to things that matter.....ya know things like

Mitt being a unicorn comes to mind. Lets get this out of the way now so we dont fight about it later.
Obama being a Muslim
George Bush masterminding 911

[outahere]

In below article it`s mentioned " we drift on a tide of uncertainty into a sea of unknowing". So when we read threads in talkdelaware what truth or facts are written in stone??

What is truth and does it matter?

A recent Barna Research Group survey on what Americans believe asked the question, "Is there absolute Truth?" Sixty-six percent of adults responded that they believe that "there is no such thing as absolute truth; different people can define truth in conflicting ways and still be correct." Seventy-two percent of those aged 18 to 25 expressed this belief. In a recent series of more than twenty interviews conducted at random at a large university, people were asked if there was such a thing as absolute truth - truth that is true across all times and cultures for all people. All but one respondent answered along these lines:
"Truth is whatever you believe."
"There is no absolute truth."
"If there were such a thing as absolute truth, how could we know what it is?"
"People who believe in absolute truth are dangerous."
The lone exception was an evangelical Christian, who said absolute truth was in Jesus Christ.
I suggest that the situation that these surveys reveal is fairly typical of the Western World. As Clive Calver says, in an article 'Thinking Clearly About Truth' in Christianity, we "drift on a tide of uncertainty into a sea of unknowing."

"I believe in everything - a little bit" Marilyn Monroe

Oddly enough, those who claim that there is no such thing as absolute truth make scores of decisions every day on the basis that they believe some things are true and some are false. We all do. I will not turn on a light without believing in the reality of electricity, or drive a car without believing in the effectiveness of the combustion engine. No one flying in a cloud through mountainous terrain would want to be directed by a navigator who did not believe in the truth of his instruments. No one undergoing brain surgery would want to be operated on by a surgeon who did not believe that some things about the brain were true and some not true. And yet, when it comes to the most important issues of life - What is the meaning of life? Why are we here? Does it matter whether I am good or bad, or is there any such thing as goodness and badness? What happens when I die? Will I be called to account by the Judge of the Universe or will I not? Does he exist anyway? - it is assumed that either we can't know or it doesn't matter. Figuring out something that "works for me" is all that is required. Or I can assume the attitude of Marilyn Monroe who is said to have declared, "I believe in everything - a little bit."
One thing I must never do is to tell anyone else they are wrong. Not long ago, the popular US column Dear Abby tackled the issue of family quarrels over religion. A reader told Abby:
Your answer to the woman who complained that her relatives were always arguing with her about religion was ridiculous. You advised her to simply declare the subject off-limits. Are you suggesting that people talk only about trivial, meaningless subjects so as to avoid a potential controversy?...It is arrogant to tell people there are subjects they may not mention in your presence. You could have suggested she learn enough about her relatives' cult to show them the errors contained in its teachings.
In response, Abby wrote this:
In my view, the height of arrogance is to attempt to show people the 'errors' in the religion of their choice.
In today's climate, to suggest that you might be right about your beliefs and that others might be wrong is about the greatest offence one can commit.
The poet Steve Turner wrote a brilliant parody of this attitude and called it "Creed". Part of it goes like this:
I believe that each man must find the truth that is right for him.
Reality will adapt accordingly.
The universe will readjust. History will alter.
I believe that there is no absolute truth excepting the truth that there is no absolute truth.
Yet, in spite of the pervasiveness of these attitudes to truth, voices are being raised in protest. Michael Novak, in an article in the Reader's Digest, declared that "the most critical threat to our freedom is a failure to appreciate the power of truth." This link between freedom and truth was strongly argued by Pope John Paul II in his recent encyclical Veritas Splendor (The Splendor of Truth). Richard John Neuhaus, editor in chief of First Things: A Monthly Journal of Religion and Public Life, in commenting on this encyclical, said, "In the absence of truth, power is the only game in town."

[Crabby]

So where is the difference between truth and fact? Interesting.

[Crabby]

When do we get to start picking on the Mormons? I'm really so tired of the birther nonsense and the Muslim nonsense and the "where did he get his money" nonsense.
Don't you all understand that his mother was a well paid CIA operative and courier?
Long ago the Mormon "army" killed some unwelcome travelers. Maybe we can figure out how to blame it all on Mitt.

[RobForaker]

I have a whole library of election 2008 and conspiracies about Obama. While Republicans laughed about the young senator, he became President.

[Grin]

Let me state for the record, that absolutely, truth matters.

[childOfLacroix]

Here's what I'm concerned about (I'm not pulling all of these stats about malemployment out of my ass, really, heh):

Job growth was weak in May. Just as bad: the type of jobs the economy did manage to add.According to today’s jobs report, 422,000 more Americans were employed in May than in April. (The figure is based on a monthly survey of around 60,000 households. The more widely cited figure of 69,000 payroll jobs is based on a separate survey of employers.) That isn’t a great number, but it’s better than April, when the number of Americans with jobs actually fell by 169,000.But the job growth is coming entirely from workers getting part-time jobs. The number of Americans working full-time fell by 266,000 in May, erasing all the gains of the past three months. The total employment figure only rose because 618,000 more people got part-time jobs. Many of those people would rather be working full-time: The number of people classified as “part time for economic reasons” — meaning they’re working part-time because they can’t find a full-time job — rose by 245,000 to 8.1 million....

For entire article:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/...-wrong-places/

The argument I hear most often is that "any job is better than no job." While that's true, it's also better to have chronic severe migraines than a brain tumor...but that doesn't mean the migraines are a good thing to have.

While I have said before that I agree that perpetual UI is not realistic, eliminating UI is not a panacea. The dirty little secret, the one nobody ever talks about, is that when the long-term unemployed get their UI cut off, while they will go out and get "any job they can," it is highly likely that they will get one of these bottom-level, dead-end, part-time gigs, which means that, while they will no longer be able to collect UI, they will earn so little that they'll be eligible for welfare. They will simply shift from one gov't program to another.

We don't just need jobs. We need skilled jobs, the kind that pay enough for adults to support themselves.

[Grin]

It`s the so and so`s out there that are making it possible to form opinions of the educated. With opinions facts are drawn. Todays form of gov. cannot agree together when facts are obvious in some ways such as a hung jury.

I think you have that a bit twisted, should read, with facts opinions are drawn.

[hockey]

For me truth is or should be documented by scientific proof or evidence. Everything else is speculation.

[max1]

We debate facts and argue opinions.

I dont know you "outtahere" but I guess we at least sit on the same side of the fence politically although how far either one of us leans to the right or left is to be debated. I believe this country is on a path of destruction, I firmly believe that at some point the economy will collapse and we may end up in some type of barter system. All that aside I also firmly believe we are at war already in our own country, it's not a hot (shooting) war but a war of words with folks who simply pass around any thing they receive in their e-mail or state their opinions and claim them to be fact. Speaking for myself I feel it's my duty to help those folks see the difference between the two. You just can't come to a forum like this and post inflammatory articles with no proof or sources to back up what you say. This is a intelligent group of people and they will either call you on your post or just ignore you.

[max1]

with facts opinions are drawn.

Amen!

[Joe Walther]

First we have to understand the difference between ABSOLUTE facts and INTERPRETIVE facts. Our KNOWN laws of physics and the tenets of our physical sciences—and even the canons of some of our social sciences—exemplify the former.

Interpretive facts—the stuff everybody thinks they know based on various experiences—govern most of our day-to-day relationships. It’s in this realm of facts that we run into difficulty.

Absolute facts tend to speak for themselves because they stand on the strength of their own veracity. To deny their existence is to deny objective reality.

But, within the interpretive realm, facts are the means by which decent people reach truth. Therefore BOTH—facts AND truth matter. And, while we may not like doing so, we have to realize that different people, analyzing the same interpretive facts, can honestly arrive at different truths.

It’s also within the realm of interpretive facts that we need a reliable engine to drive discussion in a civil tone. That engine is called EMPATHY. It’s the ability to understand that different points of view exist and that when we understand them from another perspective, they make more sense.

It does NOT mean that we have to agree; but at the very least, we need to know how to agree to disagree without resorting to personal attacks.

In fact, an even more fundamental problem is that some people—the really stupid ones—have no idea how to disagree WITHOUT resorting to personal attacks because they haven’t the slightest idea of what constitutes a personal attack.

I’m a long-retired professional scientist. And, I can tell you from forty-some years of experience in my own fields of mathematics and physics that facts are NOT always absolute and absolute certainty is a myth.

“As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.” I keep this quote by Albert Einstein pasted prominently above my bathroom mirror. It’s the last thing I see before beginning each day.

If I’ve learned anything during my 73-years on this planet, it’s that we can replace the word mathematics with politics, religion, or virtually anything we wish—including interpretive FACTS and the quote would still be true.