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    Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    The U.S. Marine Corps has decided to discharge a sergeant for criticizing President Barack Obama on Facebook.
    The Corps said Wednesday that Sgt. Gary Stein will be given an other-than-honorable discharge for violating Pentagon policy limiting speech of service members.


    The discharge means he will lose all military benefits. According to a Facebook post on the site that originally got him in trouble, the discharge was postponed. Stein's "discharge will be postponed until results of a medical condition, he was diagnosed with on Monday, are returned and treatment is discussed," the message said.
    Two weeks ago, Stein was denied a restraining order that would have temporarily halted his dismissal.
    He had sought relief from U.S. District Court Judge Marilyn Huff after a military board recommended his dismissal.
    Judge Huff declined to intervene for Stein, saying since she is not a military expert, she cannot rule on issues of military law.
    Stein, a nine-year member of the U.S. Marines, started a Facebook group called "Armed Forces Tea Party" in 2010.
    Since its creation, the page has displayed numerous posts criticizing President Barack Obama that Stein's commanding officers called into question.
    “How can some words that I wrote on Facebook outweigh my 9 years of service?” Stein asked in court on April 13.
    One posting brought up during a recent hearing showed President Obama's face superimposed on a jackass, the Associated Press reported.
    Another document brought forward in an earlier proceeding revealed that Stein posted on a Marine meteorology and oceanographic Facebook page March 23, "As an active Marine I say, 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow orders from him."
    There were at least four other times a U.S. attorney told Stein to tone down his "inflammatory" political comments. His lawyers say the possibility of discharge is "absurd" and "heavy handed." Stein's lawyers say the Marine Corps is trying to "railroad a good Marine out of the Corps" for expressing his First Amendment rights.
    After Stein posted objections to Obama's health care policy and encouraged others to go against the orders of superiors if they disagreed with the actions, the U.S. Marine Corps decided to reconsider a previous decision to not take punitive action against him.
    The military started monitoring Stein's Facebook group after he posted his stance against prosecuting Americans for burning the Quran in Afghanistan.
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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    Ummmm... what happened to his contitutional right to free speech??
    I fully support the arrest and deportation of all
    illegal immigrants.

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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    Lawyers and Military both give up their rights to Free Speech - when they take their oaths.

    That is why I will never become an attorney at Law.

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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    You should make your motto of deporting immigrants retro active

    Back to the date when your ancestors arrived HERE!

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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    Quote Originally Posted by LozerBoozer View Post
    Ummmm... what happened to his contitutional right to free speech??

    nothing happened to it....however, you have to take into consideration sacrifices that you may have to make when you enter into the service. The president is not only just the president when you are in the service...he's also your boss. I have to imagine that going on facebook and talking shit about your boss would not go over well at work.


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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    Quote Originally Posted by longnecker View Post

    There were at least four other times a U.S. attorney told Stein to tone down his "inflammatory" political comments.
    This guy seems like he had every chance to walk back from the line and he didn't. Over and over again he made a choice to cross it so I don't feel bad for him.

    Like it or not he should have known that he would have to treat the Commander in Chief with a modicum of respect when he joined the Marines. I expect a lot more professionalism from people in uniform. The bottom line is that he did it to himself.
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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    Just for clarification, over the past century, particularly over the past six decades, the United States Military has severely disciplined its personnel—including the issuance of bad conduct discharges—for disrespectful conduct toward our presidents. Obama’s is light-years from the ONLY Administration under which this has happened.

    Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) makes it a crime for military personnel to use contemptuous words against:

    --the president
    --the vice president
    --the Congress in the aggregate or ANY of its members individually
    --the Secretary of Defense
    --the secretary of ANY military department
    --the Secretary of Homeland Security
    --a Governor, or legislature of any state, territory, commonwealth, or possession in which he/she is stationed or just merely visiting

    The military defines “contemptuous” as comments insulting, rude, disdainful, or otherwise disrespectfully attributing to other qualities of meanness, disreputableness, or worthlessness.

    Just for good measure, for every count of violating article 88 of the UCMJ, the military throws in an additional count of violating article 134—bringing dishonor on the military services.

    And, to add to the horror, any officer (commissioned or non-commissioned) warrant officer (commissioned or non-commissioned) who attempts to influence subordinates’ votes accordingly, faces a mandatory 5-year prison sentence under 18 USC (United States Code) 609.

    Then there’s DOD (Department of Defense Directive 1344.10. This ditty BANS active duty personnel from running for office, participating in partisan political management or campaigns other than minor clerical assistance.

    Active duty personnel need to think long and hard before they shoot their mouths off in violation of articles 88 and 134 of the UCMJ. And this also applies to RETIRED personnel. If you’re drawing a military pension and decide to surrender your better judgment to abject stupidity by demeaning any of the folks on the above list, you could well lose it.

    This marine aligned himself with the Tea Party movement. This isn’t a crime. In fact, when it started, that movement consisted of some well-meaning people who had become fed-up with the out-of-control spending in Washington, DC.

    But, unfortunately, when the movement reached down to the voter level, myriad colossal assholes came out of the woodwork. And, many of these people—none of whom speak for the legitimate Tea Party movement—feel that it’s perfectly acceptable to demean any of the folks on the above list, especially a president.

    Military personnel do NOT have the same rights as we civilians take for granted. Under many circumstances, military personnel do NOT have the freedom of expression. And, under many other circumstances, they do NOT have a right to remain silent when charged with crimes; they do NOT have the right to have an attorney present during questioning.

    Of course, they never mention this sort of thing in the recruitment brochures or during recruitment sessions. The large print giveth; the small print taketh away. Buyers beware!

    Military service is an honorable and unselfish profession that takes an uncanny degree of dedication and self-discipline. It deserves a perpetual and unquestioned respect from the civilian population. But, people need to understand what they’re signing up for BEFORE they sign on that bottom line.

    The armed force is a microcosmic representation of socialism in action. The pay is woefully inadequate for the dedication required. But in return, they promise to take care of you when you join its ranks. They’ll feed you, provide you with a place to live, take care of your medical needs, and they’ll even plant you if you die while a member.

    The irony of it all is the fact that your sworn duty is to defend this nation’s FREEDOM—to the death if necessary—but when you take that oath to do so; you give up your OWN!

    On the surface, this sucks big time and we civilians need to be ever grateful that people seek out a military life and are willing to live with it. I’ll shout it from the nation’s mountain peaks: I COULD NEVER DO IT!

    However, the military can’t run by consensus. It must operate by strict discipline and unquestioned compliance with lawful orders given by officers and noncoms. And, thankfully, the military does its level best to keep the General Custer effect under control.
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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    Quote Originally Posted by laserhaas View Post
    Lawyers and Military both give up their rights to Free Speech - when they take their oaths.

    That is why I will never become an attorney at Law.

    LOL - you'd have to pass the bar exam and the State Bar board review too, easier said than done.
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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    Quote Originally Posted by laserhaas View Post
    Lawyers and Military both give up their rights to Free Speech - when they take their oaths.

    That is why I will never become an attorney at Law.

    Didn't read the first part, no Laserhaas, lawyers do NOT give up their rights to Free Speech when they take the oath, what on earth gave you that idea?
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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralee View Post
    LOL - you'd have to pass the bar exam and the State Bar board review too, easier said than done.
    Actually - the DE Bar is easier than most (several people who wanted to be my attorney noted such)
    Also , 2 judges said I could study under them and become one (having study the law now for 7 years)

    But - you do have to give up your right to criticize (free speech) - when you join the Bar.

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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralee View Post
    Didn't read the first part, no Laserhaas, lawyers do NOT give up their rights to Free Speech when they take the oath, what on earth gave you that idea?
    Show me a counsel who critizes "color of Law" adjudications openly (in or out of court)
    and I'll show you 3 being sanctioned and those disbarred.

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    Re: Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

    It is the same thing as a soldier openly criticizing the Commander and Chief.

    This soldier paid the price for open disdain (a free speech right yielded when he swore an oath to the service)

    If a counsel calls out a judge (like Richard Fine did in California) - they are brutal (and immune from prosecution)
    Richard Fine spent 18 months in jail and was never even charged - for pointing out Judges in CA were getting illegal payments.


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