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    Occupy Delaware evicted

    Written by ANDREW STAUB The News Journal


    After five months and 18 days in Spencer Plaza, the "Occupiers" have been evicted.

    Wilmington Mayor James M. Baker notified Occupy Delaware on Monday afternoon that it has until May 1 to dismantle its tent city.

    Baker labeled the local Occupy encampment a "public nuisance" that has "become a desecration of the final resting place" of Peter Spencer, a freed slave who became an early religious and civil rights leader in Wilmington.

    The city originally allowed the protesters to stay in the plaza to express their First Amendment right to free speech, but the camp has been plagued by public drunkenness, drug use and destruction of property, Baker said in a statement.

    "The city does not intend to preclude Occupy Delaware from the legitimate exercise of its First Amendment rights," Baker said. "But the indefinite seizure of public property is not protected speech."

    Occupy Delaware, an offshoot of the Occupy Wall Street movement that blasts corporate greed, began its camp in November. It joins other Occupy groups from places such as New York City, Oakland and Washington, D.C., to be evicted from public places.

    Although police in Oakland resorted to using tear gas to subdue protesters during an eviction, the battle played out quietly in Wilmington.

    As of 5 p.m. Monday, about two hours after Baker announced the dispersal order, nobody could be found in the camp. At about 6:30 p.m., one woman sat in a tent.

    Baker's order surprised Occupy Delaware, which issued an official response late Monday.


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    Well FINALLY! The Occupy goofs have the confrontation they have been hoping for. I noticed in the article that the ACLU cited free speech in regards to this occupy (squatters is more like it) movement. They must have missed the NYC court case and others that found that squatting in a public place is not part of free speech, that erecting a tent and supposedly living in a public park is not part of free speech. As in NYC and other cities the squatters certainly have the right to STAND in any park and get on their soap box and declaim all they want. THAT is free speech and of course we have the freedom to either stand and listen to their speech or leave. Until this article I had totally forgotten they were still there. The last time they did anything was last year when they marched on the bank in downtown Wilmington, on a SATURDAY (banks closed and streets deserted). They will be very happy to finally be back in the lime light again. What they really need to do is work within the system not squat in a park doing nothing but making cute signs.
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    Occupy Delaware members voted unanimously Wednesday night to sue if Mayor James M. Baker moves to evict the group from Spencer Plaza.
    Responding to a Monday letter from Baker -- listing complaints about the protest site at 11th and French streets, asking for it to be cleared voluntarily by May 1 -- 25 participants who met in a General Assembly unanimously approved a six-page letter responding point by point.
    The group formed late last year after Occupy Wall Street began to protest corporate greed.
    Participant Jen Wallace of Newark said Baker’s letter was the city’s first contact with the group since late last year. “I was very surprised,” she said.
    The group said it is willing to negotiate with the city on several points, saying it has operated “in good faith” under a mediated agreement with the city for it to protest in the plaza.
    Baker, who did not release a copy of the letter, said in a statement Monday the Occupy Delaware site “has become more than just a public nuisance with its unsightly and disorderly appearance -- it also represents a danger to the people camping there as well as to the public.”
    He also accused Occupy Delaware of desecrating burial sites at the plaza including that its namesake, Peter Spencer.
    Spencer started the nation’s first black church that did not have white supervision that was required by law -- considered a landmark in freedoms of religion, speech and assembly, as well as racial equality.
    Occupy Delaware, which declined to give The News Journal a copy of the mayor’s letter, characterized his public statements as “highly racially charged and inflammatory language,” saying it “has consecrated the memory of Peter Spencer, not desecrated it.”
    The group’s 35-point letter is to be given to the American Civil Liberties Union of Delaware, which has been representing Occupy Delaware.
    The group responded to what it said was Baker’s complaint of “indefinite and improper seizure of Spencer Plaza,” it said the city entered into a negotiated agreement with Occupy Delaware to be there, so there was no seizure Read full article

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    Re: Occupy Delaware evicted

    They can go to the south Market bridge . under the bridges..might recruit more Occupiers there..

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    "Complaining," in and of itself, is not the problem. A bunch of people who complained about British rule brought about the American Revolution. People who complained about slavery brought an end to it. People who complained about women not being allowed to vote secured women the vote.

    The problem with OWS is that it has vague complaints--"greed," "the rich," "corporations," etc.--coupled with no proposed solutions (or completely unrealistic ones) or movement to bring about solutions.

    Ironically, the people "occupying" are, predominantly, the offspring of the wealthy. People who are truly struggling don't have time to occupy anything. They're busting their asses trying to make enough money to stay alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobForaker View Post
    They can go to the south Market bridge . under the bridges..might recruit more Occupiers there..
    Yes, I've always felt that "occupying" a homeless encampment would make a much better statement than pitching tents in front of City Hall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by childOfLacroix View Post
    "Complaining," in and of itself, is not the problem. A bunch of people who complained about British rule brought about the American Revolution. People who complained about slavery brought an end to it. People who complained about women not being allowed to vote secured women the vote.

    The problem with OWS is that it has vague complaints--"greed," "the rich," "corporations," etc.--coupled with no proposed solutions (or completely unrealistic ones) or movement to bring about solutions.

    Ironically, the people "occupying" are, predominantly, the offspring of the wealthy. People who are truly struggling don't have time to occupy anything. They're busting their asses trying to make enough money to stay alive.
    Awesome post, thank you.


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    As I said, this is just what they have been waiting for, I can hear them cheering as I type. Everyone has forgotten about them and finally they can make some waves. They have no platform, no real doable demands, just a list of whines and complaints. Great, just another protest group looking for the next party and whining about the fact that if they want something they are actually expected to work for it!
    Some people have cats and go on to lead perfectly normal lives.

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    Re: Occupy Delaware evicted

    Sunday, July 22, 2012
    Dear Friends,
    Occupy Delaware is alive and well. Contrary to the ignorant posts above we have not been evicted and we do have specific demands. We are not whiners although it appears that most of the replies in this thread are vicious haters of democracy. Occupy Delaware recently posted a message at www.occupyde.org. Please read it. While you're there please read our list of demands. Two of the most important that we have been demanding since the beginning are (1) RETURN TO GLASS STEAGAL (THE RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT now pending in the House of Representatives, and (2) Roll back of Citizens United, which our Senator Coons tried to amend to force contributors to attack PACS to disclose their identities. Join us!

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    Re: Occupy Delaware evicted

    Quote Originally Posted by ODM3 View Post
    Sunday, July 22, 2012
    Dear Friends,
    Occupy Delaware is alive and well. Contrary to the ignorant posts above we have not been evicted and we do have specific demands. We are not whiners although it appears that most of the replies in this thread are vicious haters of democracy. Occupy Delaware recently posted a message at www.occupyde.org. Please read it. While you're there please read our list of demands. Two of the most important that we have been demanding since the beginning are (1) RETURN TO GLASS STEAGAL (THE RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT now pending in the House of Representatives, and (2) Roll back of Citizens United, which our Senator Coons tried to amend to force contributors to attack PACS to disclose their identities. Join us!
    You are the reason some of us dislike your ilk, me personally i dont give a shit about your demands when you present yourself in this manner. Now if you want to go on out the front door and come back in with a different attitude we can talk, but you set the tone with your first post....ball is in your court.


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    Re: Occupy Delaware evicted

    Sorry, but I'm a liberal who works 48+ hours per week, gets 3 weeks vacation per year (after 10 yrs. at the grindstone), and have been working steadily since my first paper route @ 14yrs. old.
    I am also former deadhead who has seen them or a side project a scant 28 times. Only 28 times is a low number for a deadhead, but while I could only fit shows around my work schedules, friends of mine would follow the whole east coast leg of a tour, from Fla. to Maine, usually because they lived at home and were subsidized by their parents. The more entitled they actually were, the grungier and opinionated they strove to appear.
    That is what OWS and it's various chapters remind me of.......privileged kids on an extended party/camping trip. Vague goals, no responsibilities, apparently no money problems to speak of, just a bunch of pseudo-bohemians missing the 60's that they never knew.
    Bill Maher was right: Quit camping and do something real, like engaging legislators, running for office, or perhaps even voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkus1 View Post
    I am also former deadhead who has seen them or a side project a scant 28 times. Only 28 times is a low number for a deadhead, but while I could only fit shows around my work schedules, friends of mine would follow the whole east coast leg of a tour, from Fla. to Maine, usually because they lived at home and were subsidized by their parents. The more entitled they actually were, the grungier and opinionated they strove to appear.
    That is what OWS and it's various chapters remind me of.......privileged kids on an extended party/camping trip. Vague goals, no responsibilities, apparently no money problems to speak of, just a bunch of pseudo-bohemians missing the 60's that they never knew.
    Bill Maher was right: Quit camping and do something real, like engaging legislators, running for office, or perhaps even voting.
    That's what got my goat about the whole thing. The OWS protestors claimed to be on the side of "the poor," but none of them were anywhere near being poor themselves. They have no idea what it's like to be poor. Poor people can't just call Mommy and Daddy and ask for another check.

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    When the too big to fail banks bring finally bring down the economy gambling in derivatives with your money you'll be sorry you didn't have an "attitude". When you perceive injustice in the tax code and think it is not fair you'll wish you had an "attitude." When the gestapo comes knocking at your door you'll be glad some of your fellow citizens had an "attitude." When you drop dead from working too hard for too little pay because the system is rigged to accommodate the very rich you'll wish you had spoken to power as we have consistently; you'll wish you had demonstrated in the streets, encouraged your members to run for public office which they are doing, and worked for candidates that support the issues you value. Wake up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODM3 View Post
    When the too big to fail banks bring finally bring down the economy gambling in derivatives with your money you'll be sorry you didn't have an "attitude". When you perceive injustice in the tax code and think it is not fair you'll wish you had an "attitude." When the gestapo comes knocking at your door you'll be glad some of your fellow citizens had an "attitude." When you drop dead from working too hard for too little pay because the system is rigged to accommodate the very rich you'll wish you had spoken to power as we have consistently; you'll wish you had demonstrated in the streets, encouraged your members to run for public office which they are doing, and worked for candidates that support the issues you value. Wake up!
    For starters, you could have gone the positive route by explaining what you’re trying to accomplish; more shirtsleeve Americans are confused about this than aren’t. Then you could have listed some of the movement’s accomplishments; there are several positive ones.

    For example, the Occupy Movement began as a local protest and spread to the national scene faster than any I’ve witnessed since the ‘60s. And, in a relatively short span, the movement has:

    Brought the notion of an unbalanced economic playing field to the forefront for the first time in over 4-decades. Whether or not people wish to admit it, that playing fireld is skewed to the wealthy side of the equation.

    Called attention to how stifling the impact of student loan debt is on young college, professional and trade school graduates, especially an equally crippling whammy of a purely stagnant job market.

    Inspired a wide variety of actions in trying to prevent foreclosures and evictions for many beleaguered home owners and tenants.

    The list is much longer than this and most certainly is not something we’re going to hear about on Fox News and MSNBC. As well, we’re not going to hear about this stuff on many other broadcast outlets simply because it doesn’t rise to a level of emotional controversy that increases ratings to the PROPER level.

    Instead, your movement comes off like a group social antagonists in silly looking costumes, speaking to the media in endless strings of dysfluency-laden grammatical expressions—not to mention the fact that some of you smell like you haven’t been near soap and water for weeks on end.

    When so many working class people appear completely confused as to Occupy’s leadership and mission, it should behoove the GROUP to be more explicit.

    Speaking ONLY for myself, I find a few glaringly illogical flaws in Occupy’s standard rhetoric.

    First, you seem intent (ad nauseum) on repealing tax cuts for the rich. The problem is that it makes YOUR cause seem irrelevant in that the Democrats have been harping on this for decades. And, the fact is that we’re not going to balance the economic playing field with tax cuts; we’ll get there by redefining the terms “investment” income versus “ordinary” income and applying the tax code across the board for everyone—not just the rich.

    Second, I’m unaware of any successful progressive movement that failed to arrive at its pinnacle of moral authority from a sincere effort to elevate legitimately marginalized people. Instead, you seem to be echoing the call to tear down the rich, including those who have earned their riches honestly.

    You fail to realize that capitalism in combination with the right mixture of legitimate government regulation has never been a venue that guarantees economic Camelot for ANYONE.

    Whenever it’s properly applied in combination with government regulation aimed a balancing the playing field, no other system can touch it relative to it ability to guarantee everyone an equal CHANCE at economic Camelot. THIS should be your rallying cry, but it isn’t; or at least it hasn’t been so far.

    Whether you realize it or not, you’re advocating socialism, which is not a sharing of the wealth but merely a sharing of the misery. It’s why its exclusive use has NEVER worked.

    Third, Occupy’s implication—and often using direct quotes of his—that the movement is echoing Dr. Martin Luther King’s Poor People Campaign is disingenuous at best and an outright fraud at worst.

    You cannot include in your 99% legitimately poor people throughout the country who can’t get enough to eat along with some 6-$figure professionals wailing over the fact that their mortgages are under water.

    Anyway, you could have chosen the positive route but you didn’t; you chose the asshole route, which on Talk Delaware will get you delivered to digital oblivion as well as being permanently emblazoned on myriad ignore lists.

    And, as for your admonitions relative to “attitude,” they neither incite anyone to action nor do they worry anyone. Attitude alone has never accomplished anything worth accomplishing. It amounts to nothing more than empty, cheap talk. Had our Forefathers used attitude alone, we’d all be speaking with British accents and hailing the Queen.
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    My, my. Quite the linguist. Apparently calling me/us names is your forte. I believe what goes around comes around and if anyone is assigned to anything I believe you have been assigned to the another category of anatomy that is generally used for evacuating waste. In any event, the truth is always a victim, as someone once said. So, once again, you do not speak the truth when you purport to state what Occupy Delaware stands for. Do you realize we do not already have a combination socialistic-capitalistic government? Putting labels on a society that cares for its poor, its old, its disabled is not socialism per se. It is carrying out the mandate of the United States since its formation, which is to operate "for the common good". Now, you are one of the commoners, so I don't deny you the right to receive social security, medicare, and a variety of other benefits from our country that some describe as socialistic. The difference between occupiers and you, Joe, is that we stand up to power. We made known our views and raise the level of conversation. Please pray for yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Walther View Post
    For starters, you could have gone the positive route by explaining what you’re trying to accomplish; more shirtsleeve Americans are confused about this than aren’t. Then you could have listed some of the movement’s accomplishments; there are several positive ones.

    For example, the Occupy Movement began as a local protest and spread to the national scene faster than any I’ve witnessed since the ‘60s. And, in a relatively short span, the movement has:

    Brought the notion of an unbalanced economic playing field to the forefront for the first time in over 4-decades. Whether or not people wish to admit it, that playing fireld is skewed to the wealthy side of the equation.

    Called attention to how stifling the impact of student loan debt is on young college, professional and trade school graduates, especially an equally crippling whammy of a purely stagnant job market.

    Inspired a wide variety of actions in trying to prevent foreclosures and evictions for many beleaguered home owners and tenants.

    The list is much longer than this and most certainly is not something we’re going to hear about on Fox News and MSNBC. As well, we’re not going to hear about this stuff on many other broadcast outlets simply because it doesn’t rise to a level of emotional controversy that increases ratings to the PROPER level.

    Instead, your movement comes off like a group social antagonists in silly looking costumes, speaking to the media in endless strings of dysfluency-laden grammatical expressions—not to mention the fact that some of you smell like you haven’t been near soap and water for weeks on end.

    When so many working class people appear completely confused as to Occupy’s leadership and mission, it should behoove the GROUP to be more explicit.

    Speaking ONLY for myself, I find a few glaringly illogical flaws in Occupy’s standard rhetoric.

    First, you seem intent (ad nauseum) on repealing tax cuts for the rich. The problem is that it makes YOUR cause seem irrelevant in that the Democrats have been harping on this for decades. And, the fact is that we’re not going to balance the economic playing field with tax cuts; we’ll get there by redefining the terms “investment” income versus “ordinary” income and applying the tax code across the board for everyone—not just the rich.

    Second, I’m unaware of any successful progressive movement that failed to arrive at its pinnacle of moral authority from a sincere effort to elevate legitimately marginalized people. Instead, you seem to be echoing the call to tear down the rich, including those who have earned their riches honestly.

    You fail to realize that capitalism in combination with the right mixture of legitimate government regulation has never been a venue that guarantees economic Camelot for ANYONE.

    Whenever it’s properly applied in combination with government regulation aimed a balancing the playing field, no other system can touch it relative to it ability to guarantee everyone an equal CHANCE at economic Camelot. THIS should be your rallying cry, but it isn’t; or at least it hasn’t been so far.

    Whether you realize it or not, you’re advocating socialism, which is not a sharing of the wealth but merely a sharing of the misery. It’s why its exclusive use has NEVER worked.

    Third, Occupy’s implication—and often using direct quotes of his—that the movement is echoing Dr. Martin Luther King’s Poor People Campaign is disingenuous at best and an outright fraud at worst.

    You cannot include in your 99% legitimately poor people throughout the country who can’t get enough to eat along with some 6-$figure professionals wailing over the fact that their mortgages are under water.

    Anyway, you could have chosen the positive route but you didn’t; you chose the asshole route, which on Talk Delaware will get you delivered to digital oblivion as well as being permanently emblazoned on myriad ignore lists.

    And, as for your admonitions relative to “attitude,” they neither incite anyone to action nor do they worry anyone. Attitude alone has never accomplished anything worth accomplishing. It amounts to nothing more than empty, cheap talk. Had our Forefathers used attitude alone, we’d all be speaking with British accents and hailing the Queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EpicWin View Post
    Ugh.

    "No one HAVE ever become prosperous..."

    No one have ever become funny by makin internets things that has wrong grammars.

    (And I'm not saying you made it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODM3 View Post
    My, my. Quite the linguist. Apparently calling me/us names is your forte. I believe what goes around comes around and if anyone is assigned to anything I believe you have been assigned to the another category of anatomy that is generally used for evacuating waste. In any event, the truth is always a victim, as someone once said. So, once again, you do not speak the truth when you purport to state what Occupy Delaware stands for. Do you realize we do not already have a combination socialistic-capitalistic government? Putting labels on a society that cares for its poor, its old, its disabled is not socialism per se. It is carrying out the mandate of the United States since its formation, which is to operate "for the common good". Now, you are one of the commoners, so I don't deny you the right to receive social security, medicare, and a variety of other benefits from our country that some describe as socialistic. The difference between occupiers and you, Joe, is that we stand up to power. We made known our views and raise the level of conversation. Please pray for yourself.
    Spoken like a true entitled asshole.
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    Be careful Joe, when you upset them they have the tendency to piss and shit on your car.

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    Re: Occupy Delaware evicted

    Occupy Delaware folds up tents


    Posted: Aug 06, 2012 7:46 AM EDTUpdated: Aug 06, 2012 7:46 AM EDT


    WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) - After nine months protesting economic injustice in Wilmington's Spencer Plaza, activists with the Occupy Delaware movement have folded up their tents.
    The last protesters vacated the plaza Sunday afternoon. Under a settlement with the city, they had agreed to leave by Sept. 10, a week before the city starts a $1.2 million renovation of the plaza.
    Protester Jennifer Wallace says nine months was a fitting amount of time to maintain the tent city. She says the group plans to continue its creative protests.
    About 50 people attended the dismantling of the camp on Sunday.
    http://www.wmdt.com/story/19203065/o...folds-up-tents


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