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    Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Federal judges struck down two states’ voter ID laws today, throwing out government-issued identification requirements at the polls in both Texas and Wisconsin.


    In Texas, the Justice Department ruled that the ID requirement would disproportionately affect the state’s Hispanic voters, 11 percent of which do not have the necessary identification and would thus not be able to vote.


    The Wisconsin law, which went into effect last May, was struck down because, Dane County Circuit Judge Richard Niess wrote in his ruling, it would “impermissibly eliminate the right of suffrage altogether for certain constitutionally qualified electors.”


    Proponents of both states’ voter ID laws argue that the identification requirement would help prevent voter fraud. Opponents note that there are extremely few documented cases of the types of voter fraud that ID laws would prevent and that such laws would prevent a significant number of eligible citizens from voting.


    “Voter fraud is no more poisonous to our democracy than voter suppression,” Wisconsin’s Niess wrote. “Indeed, they are two heads on the monster.”


    Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen is expected to appeal the decision later this week in an attempt to have the law re-instated before the state’s primary election April 3.


    Texas has appealed the Obama administration’s injunction to the U.S. District Court in Washington.


    “The DOJ has no valid reason for rejecting this important law, which requires nothing more extensive than the type of photo identification necessary to receive a library card or board an airplane,” Texas Gov. Rick Perry said in a statement.


    The former presidential candidate said that the administration’s ”denial is yet another example of the Obama administration’s continuing and pervasive federal overreach.”


    Texas is the second state to see its voter ID law shot down by the Obama administration, after a similar law in South Carolina was struck down in December. source
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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Why on earth would presenting a photoID be a problem?? You have to present ID to get some cold medications.

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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    I thought you had to show a photo ID to vote anyway. Isn't that the case? Or is it different in each state?
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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by motherof3 View Post
    I thought you had to show a photo ID to vote anyway. Isn't that the case? Or is it different in each state?
    Since we only go every few years I didn't want to go out on a limb and say that. Don't we have to show ID in Delaware? I never heard anyone complain about that.

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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by motherof3 View Post
    I thought you had to show a photo ID to vote anyway. Isn't that the case? Or is it different in each state?

    It varies from state to state. DE has the law as do about 35 other states. Democrats ALWAYS object to this for some reason, I have my idea why but no absolute proof. It's strange too, Holder's justice dept. should not be able to abridge State's Rights. I can't remember all the details, but just recently the SCOTUS upheld the law of one state or maybe a few states, that required a picture ID. If I can't even get on a plane or rent a hotel room or buy my cold medicine without an ID, why the big objection to having to actually prove you are a citizen and allowed to vote, once? There is vote fraud, one case I just read about is symptomactic of why, there were two registered voters with the exact same, very unusual name, and both voted, year after year. Upon investigation, both addresses turned out to be false and they have no idea who this guy really is. A picture ID, given free to those who can't afford one, would take care of that problem. I think the real reason is that certain politicians rely on the illegal voter [just my opinion] and the multiple voter to get elected. Also, the poor and disadvantaged are more likely, supposedly to not have ID, but isn't it the poor and disadvantaged that would most likely to have some form of gov. ID? You sure can't get government assistance without some form of ID.
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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    I encourage you all to do some research on these voter id laws that have been being put forth by the gop in last 2 years or so.

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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by Grin View Post
    I encourage you all to do some research on these voter id laws that have been being put forth by the gop in last 2 years or so.


    Grin, more states have it than don't have it and they have been on the books for years, not just a few years and just to be nosy, why would you object to them? I assume you live in DE, you have to show an ID to vote, have had to for years, do you know of ANYONE who has been unable to vote for lack of ID? Voter fraud is very real and unfortunately, one particular party seems to benefit from it much more than another one, could that be why they object so loudly?
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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Just a quick google search came up with these.
    OpEdNews - Article: Previously Legal WI Voters Turned Away at Polls Tuesday as GOP's New Photo ID Restrictions Begin
    U.S. Marine Turned Away from TN Poll for Refusing to Present Photo ID Under New GOP Law | Veterans News Now
    Portage County veteran, 86, doesn't vote after VA identification card rejected at polls | cleveland.com

    I hit on all the recent veteran stories because these are the ones the media likes to present to the public, but if you think about it, older Americans would be the mostly affected by this.
    I don't think voter fraud is that big a deal, tho I'm sure politicians from both persuasions have tried it a time or two

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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by Grin View Post
    Just a quick google search came up with these.
    OpEdNews - Article: Previously Legal WI Voters Turned Away at Polls Tuesday as GOP's New Photo ID Restrictions Begin
    U.S. Marine Turned Away from TN Poll for Refusing to Present Photo ID Under New GOP Law | Veterans News Now
    Portage County veteran, 86, doesn't vote after VA identification card rejected at polls | cleveland.com

    I hit on all the recent veteran stories because these are the ones the media likes to present to the public, but if you think about it, older Americans would be the mostly affected by this.
    I don't think voter fraud is that big a deal, tho I'm sure politicians from both persuasions have tried it a time or two

    You know what Grin, voter fraud is actually much more prevalent than you seem to know, certain states have a higher incidence than others. You still didn't give me a good reason why not. In your examples you showed one person who REFUSED to present an ID, one we all know, if he WAS a US Marine he had, and you did not say WHY the elderly vet. was turned away, was it perhaps because IT DIDN'T HAVE A PICTURE? The states requiring them give them, for free, to all who need them, they even come to their homes, pick them up, take them to the required place and return them home. Sorry Grin, but your examples just don't make the grade. How old are your "elderly Americans"? My aunts, both in their late 80's, very spry, healthy and with it, both have the required picture ID and passports. Nope, you didn't make your case yet.
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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralee View Post
    You know what Grin, voter fraud is actually much more prevalent than you seem to know, certain states have a higher incidence than others.
    Yeah, I believe it was prevalent in Florida in 2000

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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    My original post in this thread simply encouraged people to research. If there is not a case for that, I'm sorry I wasted your time.

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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by Josef View Post
    Yeah, I believe it was prevalent in Florida in 2000
    Old argument, old news, no new result, BUSH STILL WON!
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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by Grin View Post
    My original post in this thread simply encouraged people to research. If there is not a case for that, I'm sorry I wasted your time.
    You said check out the past 2 years under republicans, all the states that have passed voter ID requirements over the past decade or so, DE included, have been pretty equally republican led and democrat led and my question was could you give me a good reason why not?
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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralee View Post
    Old argument, old news, no new result, BUSH STILL WON!
    Bush became President. Whether he won or not is another story.

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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by longnecker View Post
    Bush became President. Whether he won or not is another story.

    Troublemaker! He won, really, silly old argument not worth fighting about.
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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralee View Post
    Troublemaker! He won, really, silly old argument not worth fighting about.
    With the long drawn out recount in the state where his brother was governor there will always be a question. That is history.

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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by longnecker View Post
    With the long drawn out recount in the state where his brother was governor there will always be a question. That is history.

    In all seriousness, with all the recounts the MSM did in the hope, the grand hope!, of proving that he didn't legitamately win, each and every one came up in Bush's favor. If they had found that he even lost by one vote it would have been front page news for his entire 8 years. No question, especially if no progressive dares or cares to question the dubious "election" of Al Franken. Now there is a questionable "win".
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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    "Proper" ID is a big issue for many elderly people, who allowed their driver's licenses to expire long ago, or, as is the case with many elderly women, never drove at all. (My grandmother never did.)

    Keep in mind that a society where we're all tracked and numbered from birth, and where everyone must carry "papers" of some sort, is a relatively new phenomenon. In the early 20th century, many births occurred at home, particularly in rural areas, and birth certificate issuance was spotty. My grandfather and his siblings did not have birth certificates...and there are many elderly people who do not.

    As I mentioned, my grandmother never drove, so she never had a driver's license or even a state ID. She didn't need a photo ID during her lifetime; it never occurred to her to get one. If she were still alive, she'd be in her 90's...and she'd have a very hard time getting a state ID. (I'm not sure if she had a birth certificate, either. She was born to dirt-poor Polish immigrants who didn't speak English and feared the government more than the average serial killer.)

    If states must do this, I don't understand why they cannot exclude voters over a certain age, say 70. That is the population who is being hammered by this.

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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    So let's all go to Texas and vote early and often!
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    Re: Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by childOfLacroix View Post

    If states must do this, I don't understand why they cannot exclude voters over a certain age, say 70. That is the population who is being hammered by this.
    You should have posted this earlier. Had I known being over 70 was that bad I would have never driven to the gas station and filled up my can of gas and cut the grass.

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