On Iran, Obama assails Republican candidates for ‘beating the drums of war’

[Beau Stockard]

Chiefbuck,

Intel reports that the Iranians already have enough material to make five bombs and their missiles are already capable of hitting Israel.

This is a highly unlikely scenario since Israel has enjoyed (free of charge) the protection of the United States nuclear umbrella (with Europe and Japan) since 1948. Unless, under your assumption, that the Iranians are really crazy and want to glow for the next one hundred years. But , you haven't proved that to be true.

Many believe that the hostages who were held for over 400 days with the permission of the Iranian government, were released because President Reagan was inaugurated. Please include me in that group.

You'd have to exclude President Ronald Reagan from that group because even he did not believe it. Anyone who knew Reagan deeply would deny that he would have ever given up a photo opportunity to greet the American hostages at the airport upon their return if he was responsible for their release. As we all know from history, ex-President Jimmy Carter greeted them .

[Chiefbuck]

Beau, Carter may have greeted the released hostages because they were released on Jan 20, 1981 after Reagan was sworn in. I was unable to locate any info on that specific claim because the search engine was swamped with liberal propaganda. The length of time that they were held was 444 days, one however was released early. The level of trash entries in the internet is amazing, apparently one is able to "verify" anything, no wonder people believe the outrageous claims that are so common in liberal lala land.
I'll "betcha" that you can find that only food is stored in the Iranian nuke sites and that they have no centrifuges in hidden sites either. Believe anything that you like if it helps you justify your propaganda, just don't expect everyone to believe your posts.

[max1]

Cheifbuck> I try to use a very few sources for verification, we all know not to trust the media since they all slant one way or another. As far as others "sources" I judge people by what they use to back up statements so if you come at me with moveeondotorg crap im gonna ignore you.

[Beau Stockard]

Chiefbuck,

Carter may have greeted the released hostages because they were released on Jan 20, 1981 after Reagan was sworn in. I was unable to locate any info on that specific claim

Don't you trust your own memory? Did you check your local newspaper archives ?

Mr. Carter, looking haggard and worn after spending two largely sleepless nights trying to resolve the hostage crisis as the final chapter of his Presidency, flew from Washington after the inaugural ceremony to Plains, Ga., his hometown. He was scheduled to fly to West Germany early tomorrow to greet the hostages personally at the invitation of the man who defeated him for re-election, Mr. Reagan.

[Chiefbuck]

Max, I have never, nor do I ever intend to even visit the moveon site much less quote anything from it. If I ever do provide anything from any radical liberal site I expect to be seriously admonished by creditable posters. I am not a "step & fetchit" for liberals who demand proof simply because I don't much care what they think or want. If anyone wants proof or verification the only way that they might believe it is if they look it up. That said Max, specifically what is the info in question? If it was about the 'food storage in Iranian uranium refining sites' comment, that was a spoof, only a certified liberal progressive would believe anything like that nonsense.
Over a year ago I was channel surfing and came across something about the Remington 700 rifle trigger/safety defect on CNBC. It was a first for me but because I am a lifelong gun enthusiast/NRA member who hunts and does some target shooting and own two of those rifles, I was concerned. I was very disappointed with what I found in the search for additional information and when my letters and emails concerning the issue went unanswered by Remington, the NRA, Cabella's etc, I really dug into the search. Eventually I found lawsuits, deaths, injuries and then found that aftermarket trigger mechanisms for the 700 series were scarce or out of stock. It turned out that the problem was well known and went all the way back to the 600, 700, 721, 722 models. Lawsuits are numerous and continuing. So, in this case CNBC reported something that many believe is valid and dangerous. As far as I am concerned, until Remington recalls and repairs these rifles I am not going to buy any Remington products. The company during this time period was bought and sold several times. The links are very interesting. Field & Stream was one of the few magazines that reported on the situation and the information is posted online.

[max1]

Chief, my point was simply to point out as you did that its very easy to point to a web site, claim it to be fact and use that to back up an argument. I try to use a few sources that I know to be credible, unlike a lot of folks who will beleive anything they read.

[Beau Stockard]

Max, Chiefbuck, Nice posts , you two! Essentially ;you're validating my own and Ronald Reagan's favorite principle to

Trust;but Verify

Just as Factchecking sites like www.politifact.com are a good tool for judging the veracity of a "radical liberal site" , factchecking can also be effective in judging the truth of conservative sites too; like FauxNews and Rush Limbaugh. So, I ask, why did republicans say that factcheckers can not get in the way of their political objectives? Guys; check this out: The G.O.P. Fact Vacuum - NYTimes.com



www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/opinion/blow-the-gop-fact-vacuum.html
Aug 31, 2012 · Honesty is a lost art. Facts are for losers. The truth is dead. Pick one. Whatever the term of art, they all signal a dark turn, and, this

[Chiefbuck]

Beau, Faux News, really? El Rushbo provides a humorous, informative program and is the most listened to talk radio show in the country. What gives him additional credibility is the way that liberals constantly bash & trash him. As for the NY Times, it has had a liberal bias for as long as I can remember and although all news folks read it on a daily basis has had credibility problems. Worse was the release of classified information including OBL's cell phone number after the Tora Bora escape. Most folks now consider the WSJ the paper of record rather than the NY Times. Both the NY Times and Washington Post are far from newspapers and both are 'flagship' centers for major media companies. News Corp is similar but has a conservative slant.
The fact of the matter is that most of us read, watch and listen to what we feel reinforces our opinion and belief system.

[Beau Stockard]

Chiefbuck,

The fact of the matter is that most of us read, watch and listen to what we feel reinforces our opinion and belief system.

Your opinion is hardly the case with the majority --most read the newspapers to gain a better understanding on an issue, and help to reject misguided opinons one might believe and challenge our belief system where it errs or distorts reality and prevents a wider comprehension from becoming possible.

[Chiefbuck]

Beau, You know that the press is responsible to a great extent of forming public opinion. It supposedly is part of our system of checks and balances. You are also aware that just because something is written in a newspaper or presented in any other form, it may not be valid. Credibility is the key and once lost it is very difficult to regain. Omission and the half truth seem to be the rule rather than the exception in much of today's news reporting. To claim that there is no liberal bias in at least 90% of our media is silly. Voices in the liberal media even admit that the bias exists. Accounting of articles favoring specific candidates validates the bias. One network, Fox News frequently points out the liberal bias and is then vilified and condemned buy the other networks.
The removal and replacement of planks in the Democratic platform on Wednesday afternoon was a classic. Viewers could see and hear it take place and then watch and hear how it was manipulated and distorted. Apparently the public didn't agree with the delegates views.

[Beau Stockard]

Chiefbuck,

Omission and the half truth seem to be the rule rather than the exception in much of today's news reporting

I saw this and thought of you. Check it out. Forbes magazine(mainstream financial press,very conservative) reporting a story from MarketWatch. Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe That It's Barack Obama? Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You ...

www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest...
May 24, 2012 · Op/Ed | 5/24/2012 @ 6:33PM | 1,607,737 views Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama? That's Right, REAGAN and GEORGE W. BUSH presided over the largest growth in the Federal Budget. That's even after George W. Bush's Stimulus package was reassigned to Obama. Go figure. President Bill Clinton was right last night at the DNC when he said, "It's The Arithmetic"! Are you ready to think that FoxNews has been lying to you?