Is god really out there?

But you wouldn't feel there was anything wrong in making fun of him in a cartoon, whereas muslims took extreme offense to those cartoons. Same difference, really. Freedom of speech dictates that you should be able to say what you want (within the normal thoughts of reason). It may not always be the most polite thing to say, but people should be able to voice their opinions. Just as it seems you think all muslims are murderous american hating beasts. You have a right to say that, but I'm thinking they may take offense to that. Should it stop you from saying that...not at all.

I'm not trying to point out sins that are all punishable by the government, I'm just bringing up sins in general. You say that there are some moral common grounds, but where does that morality come from?
Also, I believe in the death penalty because the Bible is specific in it's stance on it. It also talks about how a man who shed another mans blood should also have his blood shed by man. God gives us the law, it is our responsibility to enforce it. Just as government gives the law, and police enforce it.

You said this "I think the dangerous thinking kicks in not when a person says, "Here is what I believe." "Do you see what I am trying to point out?" The problem occurs when a person or group says, "Here is what I believe, and I choose to change society to match my view, because it is merely the good, honest and rightous thing to do." Doesn't everyone do this? You believe (I'm assuming, since you brought the issue up earlier) that gay marriage and abortion should be legal, and so you will probably do whatever is necessary to help put that in place. I believe the exact opposite and will do whatever is necessary stop it.

Change comes when a group of people with the same beliefs band together to protest/vote for/picket something. Some of those beliefs just happen to be rooted in religion, but I have just as much right to help change the goverment we live in as everyone else.

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Ah, Curly. There you are!

You don't think that Christians want to share their relationship with God and have others experience what they do? What about missionaries?

I stand by what I said. I'm not suggesting the Christians resort to violence or holy wars, but I don't think that Christian organizations would bother with all the proselytism if they weren't looking to convert.

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I understand what you're saying, and on the positive I think that missions have provided some great and needed services in counties that really need it. My post was really just about the general lack of relativism, which I think there is in most all religions. I think that's what leads to a lot of conflict.

NO ROFL actually I was trying to have a civil discussion as I have proven more than once, that most of us here can agree to disagree

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OK gang... I started this discussion in order to be a discussion...however its clear we have some people who take any opinion on religion as a pesronal insult... get over it OK? I am highly Farking pissed at a few here that they feel as if anothers view different than there own is a personal attack.

This is also not the first thread this has happened on.

RangerGirl was I am sure joking(I have finally come to understand her now)

Lollsie and Heddy... dont be so sensitive please...

Ace for the record I was raised a Roman Cartholic.. later in life I actually believed I was born again and even led many a mens Bible Study Group... I have studied the Bible extensively(many versions) and even used a Concordance on many many occasions... can most people you come in contact with besides the church staffers lay claim to this? I doubt it.
I tell you this not to be high and mighty, but to let people know, there is no blindness to me at all.

All this being said.. I do believe this thread has outlived my original intent.....CLOSED
P. S. If u have an issue with the closing.... PM me and i may listen and reopen it